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Offline Kahuna

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Re: Ion Cannons
« Reply #60 on: April 27, 2013, 08:14:41 am »
Quote from: Hearteater on April 27, 2013, 08:11:45 am
I have never needed Mark II Raid Starships to destroy every single Ion Cannon, Data Center, Co-Processor, and all the other assorted things you are likely to want to remove surgically.  Even next to an MLRS and Missile GP.  Raid Starships negate Ion Cannons completely and without difficulty.  If you don't feel like using Raid Starships properly, maybe you should turn down the difficulty?
Stop being an idiot. You're not that stupid are you?
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Re: Ion Cannons
« Reply #61 on: April 27, 2013, 08:47:55 am »
Quote from: Kahuna on April 27, 2013, 08:14:41 am
Stop being an idiot. You're not that stupid are you?
I often put up with your quite aggressive tone, because most of the time, it's actually quite amusing. But this is nothing short of ad hominem and has no place on these boards. Calm down.
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Re: Ion Cannons
« Reply #62 on: April 27, 2013, 09:02:31 am »
Quote from: Moonshine Fox on April 27, 2013, 08:47:55 am
it's actually quite amusing.
That's because often there's humor behind it. If someone talks to me like a (mod edit: bleepity bleep) it's a different story.

Quote from: Moonshine Fox on April 27, 2013, 08:47:55 am
Quote from: Kahuna on April 27, 2013, 08:14:41 am
Stop being an idiot. You're not that stupid are you?
I often put up with your quite aggressive tone, because most of the time, it's actually quite amusing. But this is nothing short of ad hominem and has no place on these boards. Calm down.
LoL "ad hominem"..

Guard Posts have been buffed and now MRLS and Missile GPs 1 shot Raid SSs. Raid SS Mark IIs are now immune to missiles.. Mark Is aren't. So suiciding with Mark Is would be a horrible waste of resources. Raids are expensive.


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« Last Edit: April 27, 2013, 09:44:40 am by keith.lamothe »
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Re: Ion Cannons
« Reply #63 on: April 27, 2013, 09:10:58 am »
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Re: Ion Cannons
« Reply #64 on: April 27, 2013, 09:34:48 am »
Quote from: RCIX on April 27, 2013, 09:10:58 am
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I'm with RCIX on this one. Saying "lol ad hominem" doesn't change the fact that is was, to the letter, just that.
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Re: Ion Cannons
« Reply #65 on: April 27, 2013, 09:50:44 am »
@Kahuna, I do try to give you a lot of leeway due to your, um, "personality" :)  But just flat out calling someone an idiot/stupid (or the phrase I edited out in your last post in this thread) contributes to an atmosphere which many of our customers find very uncomfortable (to the extent of not wanting to come here), so I can't let that go on.


On the subject itself I think Ions are on a bit of a razor's edge in terms of balance.  If they're made more durable such that raiding them is not mostly trivial, they can become brick walls.  If they're made more dangerous such that raiding them is even more necessary, well, how often do you just "fight through" one of those anyway rather than raiding it and/or using ion-immune stuff?  If they're made both more durable and more dangerous, then welcome to paintown.
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Re: Ion Cannons
« Reply #66 on: April 27, 2013, 10:09:37 am »
Hmm. Well, and this is drastic, but... What if they acted like super implosion artillery? Did like 50% of a target's max health per shot.
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Re: Ion Cannons
« Reply #67 on: April 27, 2013, 10:17:25 am »
Quote from: RCIX on April 27, 2013, 10:09:37 am
Hmm. Well, and this is drastic, but... What if they acted like super implosion artillery? Did like 50% of a target's max health per shot.
Hmm, not for the Ion I think, but it may be that the orbital mass driver just found a new name ;)
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Re: Ion Cannons
« Reply #68 on: April 27, 2013, 10:22:55 am »
The difficulty comes from that there are multiple levels of Ion cannons and the AI can have several. If a single Mk I Ion cannon is made enough of a threat to actually challenge you...what happens if the AI has three of them on the same planet?
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Re: Ion Cannons
« Reply #69 on: April 27, 2013, 10:46:19 am »
Ions are currently 800k/800k/1.2m/1.6m/2m health.  They take 2/2/3/4/5 hits from Raid Starships to kill.  Since you get three Raid Starships, that's one volley for Marks I, II and III.  Bringing them up to 5/6/7/8/9 hits to kill which is 2m/2.4m/2.8m/3.2m/3.6m.
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Re: Ion Cannons
« Reply #70 on: April 27, 2013, 11:07:51 am »
Quote from: Hearteater on April 27, 2013, 10:46:19 am
Ions are currently 800k/800k/1.2m/1.6m/2m health.  They take 2/2/3/4/5 hits from Raid Starships to kill.  Since you get three Raid Starships, that's one volley for Marks I, II and III.  Bringing them up to 5/6/7/8/9 hits to kill which is 2m/2.4m/2.8m/3.2m/3.6m.
Oh wow, they're THAT squishy? Clearly, I'm not using me Raid starships enough :P
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Re: Ion Cannons
« Reply #71 on: April 27, 2013, 11:10:18 am »
Quote from: Moonshine Fox on April 27, 2013, 11:07:51 am
Oh wow, they're THAT squishy? Clearly, I'm not using me Raid starships enough :P
Raid Starships: The FedEx of delivering Death.
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Re: Ion Cannons
« Reply #72 on: April 27, 2013, 11:55:37 am »
Quote from: keith.lamothe on April 27, 2013, 11:10:18 am
Quote from: Moonshine Fox on April 27, 2013, 11:07:51 am
Oh wow, they're THAT squishy? Clearly, I'm not using me Raid starships enough :P
Raid Starships: The FedEx of delivering Death.
Clearly!
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Re: Ion Cannons
« Reply #73 on: April 27, 2013, 12:13:22 pm »
Quote from: Hearteater on April 27, 2013, 10:46:19 am
Ions are currently 800k/800k/1.2m/1.6m/2m health.  They take 2/2/3/4/5 hits from Raid Starships to kill.  Since you get three Raid Starships, that's one volley for Marks I, II and III.  Bringing them up to 5/6/7/8/9 hits to kill which is 2m/2.4m/2.8m/3.2m/3.6m.
How do you get this?  I see Raids Mk I doing 102,400 damage per shot.  That means 8/8/12/16/20 shots from a Mk I to kill an Ion cannon.  It's still 3 volleys from a cap of Mk I Raids to kill a Mk I Ion.
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Re: Ion Cannons
« Reply #74 on: April 27, 2013, 12:42:12 pm »
4x hull bonus
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