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Offline chemical_art

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Guardian numbers
« on: May 09, 2013, 11:37:40 pm »
Guardian numbers seem...off.

1:15:00 into my easier 9 games, I have two worlds with over 20 guardians on them.

Is this intended? They hurt. Really, really bad. Especially enclave ones.
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Offline keith.lamothe

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Re: Guardian numbers
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2013, 11:41:35 pm »
How many guard posts, and how many guardians per guard post?
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Re: Guardian numbers
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2013, 11:41:58 pm »
You guys wanted pain.... you got pain... now you want an Advil?
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Re: Guardian numbers
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2013, 11:47:44 pm »
Quote from: keith.lamothe on May 09, 2013, 11:41:35 pm
How many guard posts, and how many guardians per guard post?

5 and 4.

What I was more alarmed with was how quickly they grew. Around 5 or so guardians per post. Granted, it was 9/9, but even then it was at most 60 AIP and less then 90 minutes into the game. With the new guardian updates I was expecting them to grow a bit...slower.
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Re: Guardian numbers
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2013, 11:48:32 pm »
Quote from: Cinth on May 09, 2013, 11:41:58 pm
You guys wanted pain.... you got pain... now you want an Advil?

I'm just making sure this is intended behavior  ;)


I can work around it, for sure, just making sure the guardians approaching capping their numbers in less then 90 minutes into a game.
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Re: Guardian numbers
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2013, 11:49:13 pm »
Please don't change it <3

I want Guardians to matter :P
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Re: Guardian numbers
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2013, 11:49:48 pm »
Quote from: Cinth on May 09, 2013, 11:41:58 pm
You guys wanted pain.... you got pain... now you want an Advil?
Some of them wanted more pain, doesn't mean the base game should give it to everyone ;)

Anyway, it's possible some of the reinforcement logic is letting there be more guardians now, dunno.  It should have a per-guard-post cap (4/5 on that diff doesn't sound out of the ordinary), and in any event the rate of growth wouldn't have gone up.
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Offline TechSY730

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Re: Guardian numbers
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2013, 11:51:35 pm »
Yea, I think we need logs to be able to see if something fishy is going on or if the AI in your game just decided to spend most of their "points" in guardians.


Wait, do guardians use "reinforcement points", or is the mechanic for how the AI "pays" for them different than normal reinforcements?
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Re: Guardian numbers
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2013, 11:52:21 pm »
As another clue, on of those two posts was alerted at game start, another alerted at...20 minutes in?

Another alerted on site world, a IV, has no guardians on it.
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Re: Guardian numbers
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2013, 11:56:23 pm »
This isn't a world adjacent to you homeworld, right?  Because those should have zero.  If they don't, that would certain be a problem.  I only ask because you say it was alerted from the beginning of the game.

And if I recall from reinforcement, I thought a Guard Post that wasn't at its Guardian cap got one free during reinforcement.  Or maybe there was a chance.  But I don't think it counts against the budget if I recall correctly.
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Re: Guardian numbers
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2013, 11:59:38 pm »
Quote from: Hearteater on May 09, 2013, 11:56:23 pm
This isn't a world adjacent to you homeworld, right?  Because those should have zero.  If they don't, that would certain be a problem.  I only ask because you say it was alerted from the beginning of the game.

And if I recall from reinforcement, I thought a Guard Post that wasn't at its Guardian cap got one free during reinforcement.  Or maybe there was a chance.  But I don't think it counts against the budget if I recall correctly.

One of the worlds has no guardians and was IV.

Another world, a II, had 26 guardians with 4 posts and was II.

This was at 1:15:00

Both were next to my HW.
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Re: Guardian numbers
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2013, 12:01:08 am »
Quote from: keith.lamothe on May 09, 2013, 11:49:48 pm
Quote from: Cinth on May 09, 2013, 11:41:58 pm
You guys wanted pain.... you got pain... now you want an Advil?
Some of them wanted more pain, doesn't mean the base game should give it to everyone ;)
I was having fun with that comment.  I'm in a lighthearted mood :)
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Re: Guardian numbers
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2013, 12:03:24 am »
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Both were next to my HW.
There aren't supposed to be any guardians on the planets adjacent to your home. Or mkII worlds, for that matter (should be mkI).
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Re: Guardian numbers
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2013, 12:06:10 am »
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Both were next to my HW.
There aren't supposed to be any guardians on the planets adjacent to your home. Or mkII worlds, for that matter (should be mkI).

Dug deeper, I was mistaken.

Which means in about an hour a 4 guardpost world on easier difficulty had 26 guardians with sub 70 AIP on 9/9
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Re: Guardian numbers
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2013, 12:23:03 am »
1:45:00

All the AI worlds have over 20 guardians on them if they have the needed posts.

AI HW have 38 mk V's
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