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Offline re4der

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Crash of Mimic AI and neinzuls
« on: June 20, 2014, 04:17:12 am »
I was testing new expansion yesterday. Settings were:
-100 planets + 10 nomadic planets.
-Vanillia 7.0 and Mimic 8.0 AI types.
-Neinzul combat carriers as my bonus starship.

The game ended in one hour. I was expanding peacfuly, captured few planets, cleared and captured one nomadic (those nomadic planets are great by the way. It is nice to settle one, and look it floats toward AI homeworld..).. AIP  was 80 at that point. And then i decided to besiege Mimic's planet. My fleet entered the sector, and cleared most of it. My combat carriers and enclaves were spamming with drones. And when there was only one guard post left.. Mimic responded to my assalut by sending reprisal wave at my border. The wave had 3k of ships, what was.. 30 times more then the biggest attacks i had so far, and 10 times more then my defensive force was. I moved everything I had to defend my border. When the wave started I noticed 2200 AI ships are neinzuls. I felt calm and solemn.. and then AI fleet engaged my defenses. Neinzuls cut through everything I had in 3 seconds. Exactly 3 seconds. And then decayed, and remaining 800 ships continued to advance toward my homeworld and eventually destroyed it.

Conclusion: never attack Mimic using swarm neinzuls. Especially combat carriers' drones, as those are totally imba, and should be nerfed.

And by the way, combat carrier's description should contain info why are higher marks better, like enclave ships.
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Re: Crash of Mimic AI and neinzuls
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2014, 04:52:00 am »
Not all of drones are OP, its the beam drones, but yeah they are silly at the moment. There has been another thread about them

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Re: Crash of Mimic AI and neinzuls
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2014, 05:12:12 am »
The point is not to attack Mimic with any of swarming ships, not just Neinuls. Imagine constant bombing that AI with awesomebombs, or railpods, and its response.
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Re: Crash of Mimic AI and neinzuls
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2014, 05:57:09 am »
The point is not to attack Mimic with any of swarming ships, not just Neinuls. Imagine constant bombing that AI with awesomebombs, or railpods, and its response.
It can be worse, imagine FS Fleet with protector starships, martyrs and stuff like that(Assuming Mime copies all ships with modules(Note to self: Test Mime reaction with modular ships))

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Re: Crash of Mimic AI and neinzuls
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2014, 06:21:56 am »
I guess FS fleet could destroy command station, before AI sends reprisal. Unless it really fortified planet. I really like that new AI. Cannot wait to see my mate's reaction, who uses autobombs bombing tactics all the time.
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Re: Crash of Mimic AI and neinzuls
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2014, 09:01:36 am »
The point is not to attack Mimic with any of swarming ships, not just Neinuls. Imagine constant bombing that AI with awesomebombs, or railpods, and its response.
It can be worse, imagine FS Fleet with protector starships, martyrs and stuff like that(Assuming Mime copies all ships with modules(Note to self: Test Mime reaction with modular ships))

Also test martyrs. It would be !!science!! to know what the AI does with them.

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Re: Crash of Mimic AI and neinzuls
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2014, 04:07:57 pm »
Can a Mime mime warheads back at you? 

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Re: Crash of Mimic AI and neinzuls
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2014, 04:53:10 pm »
I do not think warheads leave anything that can be salvaged, but it's worth trying. Will try it for science.
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Re: Crash of Mimic AI and neinzuls
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2014, 04:53:37 pm »
Can a Mime mime warheads back at you?
It can Mimic Nomad Beacons right back at you  :(

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Re: Crash of Mimic AI and neinzuls
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2014, 01:38:23 pm »
Did small test today.
Mime seem to copy only some of the modules. Riots got modules, protectors not. The most important thing though is that the mime copies player champion, funnily enough(with no modules though), not sure if thats intended or not. ???

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Re: Crash of Mimic AI and neinzuls
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2014, 06:43:21 pm »
Can a Mime mime warheads back at you?

If you somehow lose the Exodian Blade, will it mime THAT back at you?
Destroying humanity, one command station at a time.

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Re: Crash of Mimic AI and neinzuls
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2014, 06:58:40 pm »
Can a Mime mime warheads back at you?

If you somehow lose the Exodian Blade, will it mime THAT back at you?

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Re: Crash of Mimic AI and neinzuls
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2014, 07:29:48 pm »
Ok, so if it mimes your champion back at you, can you get it to mime more than one?

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Re: Crash of Mimic AI and neinzuls
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2014, 08:02:59 pm »
Ok, so if it mimes your champion back at you, can you get it to mime more than one?
Well, that AI was also Overreactive, and it sure overreacted!

200,000,000 metal base, = 20,000,000 salvage IIRC, and that plus my entire fleet was enough that the AI could purchase two of that unit type that I'd lost.  So it did.
It also threw in a few Flagships, just for laughs.  Because when the equivalent of two Spire Imperial Super-Dreadnaughts was just dropped in your lap, some extra Flagships are going to matter.

I think there need to be some restrictions on what the Mimic will toss back at you :)

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Re: Crash of Mimic AI and neinzuls
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2014, 08:58:29 pm »
Can a Mime mime warheads back at you?

YES.
Destroying humanity, one command station at a time.