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Re: Ancient Shadows Key STILL Won't Register
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2013, 03:40:18 pm »
Whoa, okay.  Let's back up here:

1. Not remotely every game from every developer registers on Steam.

Let's not set up straw men. Nobody said that.

I'm not a fan of straw men either.  I was responding to the strange statement:

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Actually, every developer does this.

I must be really misunderstanding what you meant.  Which is, naturally, entirely possible in this format.

However, yours does, and you supported it for this expansion just this past winter. Now you don't? If you don't see that as changing your policy when every other product you have ever released supports it, when you openly supported for this product we are talking about today and now suddenly don't (I provided a link showing this), I don't know what to say. Must be really good coffee.

I'm having a lot of trouble understanding this, just from the wording.  If you provided a link, I missed it.  In terms of us "supporting it for this expansion just this past winter," I'm not sure what you mean in terms of that.  We never provided the ability for this to register on Steam if that's what you mean.  If you mean that we said we hoped it would happen, absolutely.  If you mean that we said we expected it to happen, absolutely.  In fact, I bugged Valve about this no less than three times, and possibly five, over a span of months.  They said yes each time, and yet the keys don't register.  There's a limit to how long I can ask them the same thing before I royally piss them off.  It's not that I'm timid and haven't breached the super-sensitive topic with them.

I certainly won't be using your store anymore, as you selectively support it.

That is utter rubbish that we selectively, but you're welcome not to use the store.  I believe what we generally say on our site is "please use your distributor of choice."  We abide by everything we promise on our store and elsewhere, and to say that we're in breach of something we never promised is rather misleading.

all of your early adopters and direct store purchasers should be aware that whatever key they get may not be supported on steam.

Yes, that we agree on.  We've always been super clear on that point.  The basic message we've always had is: "We hope that we can provide this, but we provide no guarantees as it's out of our hands as Steam has to do it.  All of our prior products supported it, so we expect this one to register too, at some point."  That's not an exact quote, but that's more or less what we have always said.  In no instance have I ever said "Steam keys definitely coming next week!" or "Steam keys available at launch!" or anything of the sort.

The fact is, I've never had so much trouble getting Valve to register keys as I have with this expansion.  In the past I would ask once, and they would do it.  With Valley 1 I think it was, I had to ask several times and then finally it worked.  Maybe it was the expansion prior to this one, I don't recall for sure.  But it took a long time and was suddenly a hassle, whichever product it was.  Then with this one I asked them a record number of times, and no dice.

I'm not the sort to pass the buck off when I can help it, but I hope you can see that I'm not the one calling the shots here.  Yes I could ask them yet another time to do it.  They will probably say yes.  And then they may or may not actually do it, given that they've said yes every other time up until now, too.  Frankly I have had to ask them for a lot of things lately, though, and I prefer not to become a "problem developer" in their minds.
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Re: Ancient Shadows Key STILL Won't Register
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2013, 03:42:55 pm »
Cyborg, are you going on the fact that we've done this in the past (bear in mind how long it took for AVWW), or is there a place where we actually promised registration of steam keys for AS?  We've tried to be clear that we simply can't guarantee it.
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Re: Ancient Shadows Key STILL Won't Register
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2013, 03:46:44 pm »
Cyborg

Just to be clear I am not advocate screwing people who brought direct.

If you don't want the hassle of trying to figure out cd key and register on steam. Just buy a second copy to support arcen games and everyone get what they want.

If you are upset about changing of policy or rather ambiguous promise of something. Don't be because it is a fact of every day live. MMO get shut down or change from pay per month to free to play; to shutting down patch server; thing happens etc...

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Re: Ancient Shadows Key STILL Won't Register
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2013, 03:48:51 pm »
Don't be because it is a fact of every day live.
It's not an everyday fact of Arcen's customer service, though.  We're not happy that we haven't been able to get steam registration for this expansion.  We didn't promise it, but our response is definitely not that it's ok to break promises or whatever.
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Re: Ancient Shadows Key STILL Won't Register
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2013, 03:49:30 pm »
I have one correction to make: I was incorrect when I said we never promised Steam keys in advance.  We did do this with Shattered Haven, because we knew we could get Steam keys for that one mainly because the game doesn't have CD keys (being DRM-free), and thus there was nothing to cross-register.  So we promised Steam keys to all early adopters (anyone who preordered) once we had confirmation the game would be on Steam at all.  That is the sole case where we've done that, though.
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Re: Ancient Shadows Key STILL Won't Register
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2013, 03:50:49 pm »
Good to know about SH.  I meant a promise about AS, but yea.
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Re: Ancient Shadows Key STILL Won't Register
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2013, 03:53:05 pm »
I don't meant to say that it is a fact of a day for arcen game customer service just in general for all kind of services/products/etc....

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Re: Ancient Shadows Key STILL Won't Register
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2013, 03:54:20 pm »
I don't meant to say that it is a fact of a day for arcen game customer service just in general for all kind of services/products/etc....
Right, I just want to make really sure that no one thinks we think "everyone does it" is an excuse for... well, anything.
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Re: Ancient Shadows Key STILL Won't Register
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2013, 03:56:02 pm »
I was correcting my own statement, not yours.  I had said that we never did that for any game, but that was an incorrect thing to say -- any game except SH was accurate.

And in terms of customer service, yes, we're extremely careful never to make promises we can't keep.
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Re: Ancient Shadows Key STILL Won't Register
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2013, 04:00:53 pm »
Cyborg

Just to be clear I am not advocate screwing people who brought direct.

If you don't want the hassle of trying to figure out cd key and register on steam. Just buy a second copy to support arcen games and everyone get what they want.


Just to be clear I have supported arcen. Multiple times. I have purchased copies for a few of my friends, some people from this forum, and myself. I purchased direct specifically to support them. I don't like seeing the rules change because Chris has some issue asking for keys. I will post all of the links showing his past support later if it makes a difference. I posted one earlier in this thread.

If Chris's voice is getting tired, he should ask one of his business staff to handle it. Or lump the keys with the next expansion. Or substitute keys.
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Re: Ancient Shadows Key STILL Won't Register
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2013, 04:02:44 pm »
Yes I plan to surprise a family member with the cruelness that is known as 10/10 AI war.  ;D

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Re: Ancient Shadows Key STILL Won't Register
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2013, 04:06:05 pm »
Are you referring to this link you posted?  http://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,11876.0.html

That is a completely different issue, not related to this expansion at all.  Steam gives out CD keys when you buy the game through them, and they ran out of supply for the base game.  We gave them a new batch and they imported it.  Steam is contractually obligated to do this, because the game is unusable to their customers when they don't.

What is being discussed here is letting non-Steam customers register their game on Steam, using CD keys that Steam does not distribute directly, but rather which they simply recognize and then issue a Steam key for (or rather, add the game to your Steam library). 

Those are two completely different topics.

In terms of "if Chris's voice is getting tired," it's clear you're not listening to a word of my explanation, and I suggest you reread it.  My repeating it here for the umpteenth time will solve nothing, it's clear.
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Re: Ancient Shadows Key STILL Won't Register
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2013, 04:08:12 pm »
Or lump the keys with the next expansion.

For the record, in terms of this, I actually do plan to do this.  All else being equal, I really do like to give out Steam keys to folks who buy from us, despite what you may think.  However, that expansion likely wouldn't come out until October, so that doesn't do much good for you right now.  And if Valve gives the same sort of "sure, we'll import it" and then silence treatment again in the future, then most likely what you're looking at is two expansions with CD keys that don't register on Steam.  If they say no problem and actually do it, then I'd make sure that both actually register at that time.*

*To the best of my ability, which obviously is finite.
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Re: Ancient Shadows Key STILL Won't Register
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2013, 04:11:54 pm »
(ninja'd as usuall)

I will post all of the links showing his past support later if it makes a difference. I posted one earlier in this thread.
Well, we don't have to make this about who's right, but if you think we really did promise in the past I'd like to know why.

The one you posted earlier was http://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,11876.0.html , right?

Please correct me if I'm misreading this, but there are two separate issues being dealt with in that thread, neither of which is a matter of registering bought-elsewhere-keys not registering in steam:

1) People who had bought AIW directly from steam were unable to actually install it because steam had run out of AIW keys.  It's Valve's responsibility to ask us if they're running out, and they hadn't done that.  We contacted them, got them some new keys, they got them into the system and the situation was resolved.

2) Later on in the thread Mephology posted that he had bought AS directly from steam and it was showing as purchased but steam would not give him a steam key.  He'd opened a ticket with steam support but not gotten a response in a week or something like that.  We contacted Valve to help get it sorted out.

I admit I didn't read every word of that thread just now, was there another part where it was keys bought elsewhere not registering in steam?
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Re: Ancient Shadows Key STILL Won't Register
« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2013, 07:35:19 pm »
http://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,8401.msg73961.html#msg73961

Keith.
"All the keys, however acquired, should work on steam to get it to act like you own it in steam.

The wrinkle is that the pirate keygens sometimes create keys from the same space as the real ones, and if someone has already registered a key in steam then steam won't let you register it.  Some people have had success sending their receipt (with their steam account name or whatever written on it) to steam support and steam will dis-associate the key from the other account so the legitimate owner can register it.  But there's no guarantee on that.

But if you've already claimed your base game key on steam (or simply bought it there to begin with, which has a 100% success rate against keygen tomfoolery), you shouldn't have much trouble since the keygenning of the expansions is less common."


http://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,8217.msg71328.html#msg71328

Keith.
"If Steam carries the expansion in question (they currently carry all but LotS, that's planned for later this month), then you can register the key you got from Impulse (or anywhere) in steam and it will act for all game-related purposes as if you had bought it from steam.  Unless someone with a keygen already entered the same key into steam."


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http://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,2021.msg12508.html#msg12508
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F.A.Q. Answers:
1. If you have the base game, and install this, you will go into trial mode of the expansion.  Feel free to explore the expansion that way, but if you want to go back to full mode without buying the expansion, simply go into Settings, Expansions, and turn off the expansion.
2. All upcoming prereleases for the next few months (until the expansion fully releases) will have a mix of both expansion and non-expansion content.  If you just want the latest non-expansion content, see #1.
3. If you want to preorder the expansion (and get your full license key), see this page.  It's $12.95 USD (or equivalent), and requires a valid copy of the base game to play.
4. If you want to know all about the expansion in general, see that same page.
5. This prerelease version is compatible with any other version of the game -- Steam, Impulse, whatever.
6. If you use this with your Steam copy of the game, however, you will be asked to enter your AI War CD key (which Steam provides, but normally you do not have to enter), and also the integration with Steamworks leaderboards and achievements may be disabled.  So you may want to make a separate install of the preorder version if you use Steam, at least for the moment."
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