Author Topic: AI War Beta 7.023-4 "So A Carrier And A MkIII Lightning Warhead Walk Into A Bar  (Read 12882 times)

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(Crossposted from this blog post)

This one is kind of a beast.  With TLF doing so well most of our time is going in that direction, but since it's doing well we also have a little time to spare for stuff like AIW.  Which is nice.

The biggest individual thing is a major revision of the Alternate Champion Progress feature introduced in the previous non-hotfix release.  I'd thought people who didn't want the nebula scenarios wanted a relatively low-impact version of the champion that didn't fundamentally change gameplay.  Based on feedback it would appear I was wrong ;)  Anyway, this new iteration does allow that low-power, low-response option but you can also crank the intensity of the progress and the response up to levels where you're getting just as much power by late/end-game as you would with the normal progress mechanic.  And probably just as much pain in return, we'll see how the balancing worked out there.  If you're feeling cheesy or like providing the compensating challenge in some other way you can also crank up the progression and leave the response low or off.

Anyway, please keep the feedback coming on that; "champion revisions" won #2 on the big-items-for-8.0 poll and I'd really like to get champs to a place where they have a wider appeal.

All that aside, some other major changes in this beta release:

- Carriers are now always fully autotargeted, and damage to them is simply passed on to the contained units.  This actually makes carriers way easier to deal with, so further balance changes are likely to come later, but most importantly this also makes them way less annoying to deal with, and thus makes the game more fun.  It's very satisfying to see a wall of 1000-load carriers fly into the teeth of exo-class defenses and start melting.

- Lightning/Armored Warheads and Spirecraft Martyrs have been made essentially finite in damage potential now, though one may not normally think of "Ten Billion Damage" as "finite".  Essentially these now spread X damage over all available targets rather than doing X damage to EACH target in range.  More balance to come, I'm sure, but now these are at least theoretically capable of being balanced.

- Fixed a major bug in recent versions where the second AI player's threat/threatfleet/special-forces ships were often just stuck on worlds with no human presence at all.  Also made several other important fixes and improvements to AI threat behavior in general.

- Reinforcements have had further refactoring, and now have a much more coherent sense of budget (i.e. not getting anything for "free").  Perhaps more importantly, any reinforcement strength "lost" to the various capping rules (which are there to prevent the AI just defensively stonewalling you when it's not a Turtle AI Type or whatever) is passed on to the Strategic Reserve (until it is full) and then towards augmenting waves.  Neither use is particularly threatening in moderate doses (though if the redirect-to-SR thing turns into homeworld-stonewalling please let us know and we'll change that) but this way the "cost" of AIP no longer goes down when that cap is reached, etc.

- More Golem and Spirecraft balance changes; not as many as last time but we hope it helps move those towards where they need to be.

Update: 7.024 hotfix for several severe balance issues with warheads, and some other stuff that got fixed in the meantime.

Enjoy!

This is a standard update that you can download through the  in-game updater itself, if you already have 4.000 or later. When you launch the game, you'll see the notice of the update having been found if you're connected to the Internet at the time.  If you don't have 4.000 or later, you can download that here.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2014, 10:01:52 am by keith.lamothe »
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Anyway, please keep the feedback coming on that; "champion revisions" won #2 on the big-items-for-8.0 poll and I'd really like to get champs to a place where they have a wider appeal.
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Edit: Sorry I still have not learned how to quote just part of a post yet.

Just wondering if any new nebula missions or champion hull types well ever be added to the nine missions there are now, or even new nebula faction allies?
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Just wondering if any new nebula missions or champion hull types well ever be added to the nine missions there now, or even new nebula faction allies?
Given the very mixed reception the existing missions have gotten, it's not likely I'd add more.  If adding the "send your bombers here" and such signals I'm thinking of adding change that then the likelihood of more may change.  On more hull types and splinter factions that would be a lot more work, not the sort of content additions usually done in the free updates.
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Ok thanks, the adding ways of giving the allies orders in the nebula missions would be very helpful to have as at times if you could order them to attack or defend their large star bases would be helpful.

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I would use the Mantis Bug Tracker for this but I do not know how. Anyway for the ALT Champ Minor faction setting to work you need to enable Normal + Champion to get it to work but the nebula still spawn unless you exit and restart the game. It works the other way as well. When you turn the option off you need to start and exit the game (not totally exit AI war just the main campaign) to get nebula to re spawn on the map as well.

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Edit: Sorry I still have not learned how to quote just part of a post yet.

You want to leave the bits inside the [ and ] alone.

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You want to leave the bits inside the [ and ] alone.

Ok thanks I am trying it now.

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Successful Fleet is successful.

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Todo list:

- Full cap of Mk I - III implosion guardians
- Rams, lots of rams
- Hack more core missile controller turrets
- Get fallen spire frigates
- Complete 2,600 ship fleet including Mk IV bombers

THEN, and only then, install the new patch and wait for the 36 second AI golems to show up ...

But, uh, thanks for the carrier change at least.

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Todo list:

- Build a bunch of lightning warheads.

THEN, and only then, install the new patch and wait for the 36 second AI golems to show up ...
Fixed that for you.
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Oh, did you not put the per-unit damage cap on the lightning warheads? In that case, excellent  >D

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Oh, did you not put the per-unit damage cap on the lightning warheads? In that case, excellent  >D
Not yet, anyway ;)  I figure if you're willing to trade AIP for golems the game should take that trade.  On the difficulty level of that particular AAR it won't be much of a cost, but we'll see.
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Q: Avenger?

A: Lightning warhead.

:D

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Q: Avenger?

A: Lightning warhead.

:D
Yea, that probably needs to change ;)
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Did any one else notice armored lighting warheads only COST 1 metal to build?!