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Offline LaughingThesaurus

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Re: AI War Beta 5.093 "Apply MkIII Sanding Machine" Released!
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2012, 10:45:30 pm »
Maybe Keith was that one guy who was in charge of the AI and he was like... nah, with the three laws, they won't obey my directive to dominate the humans!
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« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2012, 10:54:37 pm »
Galactic Emperor?  I've already got too little free time to play games, thank you very much! ;)

It's kind of an wrinkle for the three laws, though: brutally slaughter human players, because that's what they paid for.
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« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2012, 10:59:08 pm »
They simply redefined "human" somehow. Or were never programmed with the three laws in the first place. Or they knew humanity was about to destroy itself with the civil war, and fell back on the third law to break the tie. Or they really are benevolent. Or the conflicting program directives of AI on opposite sides of the war caused program lock. Or simply that murphy's (technically Finagle's) law holds.
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Re: AI War Beta 5.093 "Apply MkIII Sanding Machine" Released!
« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2012, 12:28:05 am »
Quote from: keith.lamothe on October 14, 2012, 10:54:37 pm
It's kind of an wrinkle for the three laws, though: brutally slaughter human players, because that's what they paid for.

ALL of Asimov's robot books were about wrinkles in the three laws.  ALL of the robot series.

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They simply redefined "human" somehow.

Happened.  One of the Foundation books had that.

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Or were never programmed with the three laws in the first place.

Also happened.  Well, two-and-a-half laws implemented.  Was one of the stories in I, Robot.  The book, not the movie.

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Or they knew humanity was about to destroy itself with the civil war, and fell back on the third law to break the tie.

0th Law actually.  There's a book on that, too.  The idea was borrowed for the (crappy) movie I, Robot.  And justified poorly there.
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Re: AI War Beta 5.093 "Apply MkIII Sanding Machine" Released!
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2012, 03:02:03 am »
Quote from: Draco18s on October 15, 2012, 12:28:05 am
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Or they knew humanity was about to destroy itself with the civil war, and fell back on the third law to break the tie.

0th Law actually.  There's a book on that, too.  The idea was borrowed for the (crappy) movie I, Robot.  And justified poorly there.

Also nicknamed the 'Inevitable outcome of proper logic' in some places.  I, Robot did well enough for what it tried to do in 2 hours.  A single Robot story from Asimov can take from 8 hours to a week and a half, depending on how deep you want to go in it...  :D
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Re: AI War Beta 5.093 "Apply MkIII Sanding Machine" Released!
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2012, 03:25:53 am »
What part is an inevitable consequence of proper logic?

The destruction of humanity, the zeroeth law, or crappy movies based on Isaac Asimov novels?
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« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2012, 07:58:37 am »
Hence the addition of a law that the AI will never make a movie out of a book.  Inevitably, it does not end well.
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« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2012, 09:23:35 am »
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Re: AI War Beta 5.093 "Apply MkIII Sanding Machine" Released!
« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2012, 09:28:05 am »
Quote from: Kahuna on October 15, 2012, 09:23:35 am
I are sad panda. This stupid bug refuses to go away.
It waits for me to do something to fix it, then acts like it's working perfectly, until I look away ;)
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Re: AI War Beta 5.093 "Apply MkIII Sanding Machine" Released!
« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2012, 12:10:58 pm »
Quote from: Faulty Logic on October 15, 2012, 03:25:53 am
What part is an inevitable consequence of proper logic?

0th Law, I believe.

Quote from: Wanderer on October 15, 2012, 03:02:03 am
I, Robot did well enough for what it tried to do in 2 hours.

As a movie it did "pretty well" for 2 hours, but was not Asimov.

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A single Robot story from Asimov can take from 8 hours to a week and a half, depending on how deep you want to go in it...  :D

Bicentennial Man.  QED.
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Re: AI War Beta 5.093 "Apply MkIII Sanding Machine" Released!
« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2012, 12:27:22 pm »
Quote from: Faulty Logic on October 15, 2012, 03:25:53 am
What part is an inevitable consequence of proper logic?

The destruction of humanity, the zeroeth law, or crappy movies based on Isaac Asimov novels?
0th Law.  Any process of pure logic meant to protect us will eventually come to the conclusion that if it doesn't bubble wrap the human race in individual wrappers it'll kill itself.
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« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2012, 12:55:56 pm »
Quote from: Wanderer on October 15, 2012, 12:27:22 pm
0th Law.  Any process of pure logic meant to protect us will eventually come to the conclusion that if it doesn't bubble wrap the human race in individual wrappers it'll kill itself.

Notably only two robots in the original books ever executed actions based on the 0th law, and the first one still shut down due to the uncertainty of whether or not his actions would benefit humanity in the long run.

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Daneel_Olivaw#Zeroth_Law_of_Robotics
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« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2012, 04:20:50 pm »
I asked the question as a joke...
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« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2012, 05:35:51 pm »
Quote from: Faulty Logic on October 15, 2012, 04:20:50 pm
I asked the question as a joke...

... in a large gathering of geeks...  ;D
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Re: AI War Beta 5.093 "Apply MkIII Sanding Machine" Released!
« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2012, 05:37:12 pm »
Quote from: Wanderer on October 15, 2012, 05:35:51 pm
Quote from: Faulty Logic on October 15, 2012, 04:20:50 pm
I asked the question as a joke...

... in a large gathering of geeks...  ;D

You're lucky nobody anwered "yes".
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