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AI War != Guerrilla Warfare?
« on: August 19, 2010, 05:57:36 pm »
I was under the impression that you're supposed to play AI war like a guerrilla warfare game. However, the way i end up playing is taking as many ships as i can possibly summon, and then going out and curbstomping any targets i want. I don't really feel like there are many options for me to sneak around; the Transports can't go very far and are borked on unloading in hostile territory, and cloaking is a very hit-and-miss affair. Plus, there are an absolute ton of fleetships that don't really do the stealth thing (i'm looking at anything under 40 speed).
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Re: AI War != Guerrilla Warfare?
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2010, 06:03:08 pm »
I feel the same--though, you can always play as if you are the Viet Cong/etc.; try out some unique playing styles!

I was pretty surprised at this one:
http://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,6100.0.html
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Re: AI War != Guerrilla Warfare?
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2010, 06:12:40 pm »
I think the only reason some folks feel that way is because when you get safe and bottlenecked, you can mass your fleet all in one place and go on a rampage. The recent (and some yet to come) changes are intended to thwart that. When your fleet is spread out more, the game plays out quite differently.

That said, I think it's good to support multiple playstyles as much as possible when it's not balance-destroying.
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Re: AI War != Guerrilla Warfare?
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2010, 01:27:48 am »
One thing that would help is giving us a tool to attack the higher mark AI planets without flushing ships and warheads down them like i'm trying to sedate a patient for an operation :P
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Re: AI War != Guerrilla Warfare?
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2010, 04:48:39 am »
I have yet to use a warhead, on any planet, even on my 7.6 AI games. :P

But quite recently, I have, what shall I say, "evolved" my playstyle away from having a big blob of death and running around with it. I have found value in spreading my forces somewhat and still being able to achive my goals. The new stuff in AI war has helped towards that end as well.
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Re: AI War != Guerrilla Warfare?
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2010, 09:01:17 am »
Guerrilla Warfare? Whats That?(i didn't Go Guerrilla Even Once , Even in a Losing Situation , i'll Just Sent my Fleet through and Kill or Be Killed)

there Seriously needs to be More stuff that Encourages Stealth instead of I AM GOING TO SMASH YOU WITH A THOUSAND SHIPS , AND PUSH YOU ALL THE WAY TO YOUR WORMHOLE
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Re: AI War != Guerrilla Warfare?
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2010, 11:51:33 am »
I tend to initiate any major attacks with a guerrilla raid of space planes or etherjets, whatever I've got before I send in my bombers.  Immune to tractors, cloaking, and offer different options for tackling the planet.  With the Etherjets I can just run around and scoop up all the problematic targets on the planet before zooming them back to my forces, and the space planes (which die like flies, so promote non-engagement until you are in a tactically advantageous position) do so much damage that you can use them to target most non-Fortress infrastructure.  It generally comes down to what ships you have access to that will change your playstyle.  What ships have you been using?

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Re: AI War != Guerrilla Warfare?
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2010, 11:54:00 am »
The harder difficulty I play on, the more it becomes gurella warfare, as I'm kind of terrified of causing AI progress on difficulty 9 AIs

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Re: AI War != Guerrilla Warfare?
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2010, 11:59:29 am »
This is Guerilla Warfare >.>


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Re: AI War != Guerrilla Warfare?
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2010, 02:01:24 pm »
It generally comes down to what ships you have access to that will change your playstyle.

This is very true, but of course no one wants to choose an ineffective/costly ship, but rather the more powerful and cost-effective spammable ship, like space planes.
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Re: AI War != Guerrilla Warfare?
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2010, 11:03:22 pm »
I didn't mean regarding power level, I meant based on roles.

Space planes allow for guerrilla warfare, whereas MLRS reinforce the giant smashy blob tactics.  Raptors, raiders, infiltrators to a degree, etherjets, things that are fast and cloak or have other special abilities are guerrilla warfare ships.  Teleporters.  You might even be able to use Zenith Bombards for that as well if you managed to wipe the wormhole first, warp them in, blast whatever your target is and run.

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Re: AI War != Guerrilla Warfare?
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2010, 11:10:23 pm »
I generally mean resource cost / unit effectiveness * spamability = "good unit."
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Re: AI War != Guerrilla Warfare?
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2010, 06:35:42 am »
it comes down to difficulty- on the higher difficulties you simply cannot allow the AIP to get too high, as the AI response will annhilate you. if you are smashing through with no concern for the AIP increases, perhaps you should play at a higher difficulty

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Re: AI War != Guerrilla Warfare?
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2010, 07:02:50 am »
Nah

i let the AIP fly Skyhigh on Diff 9 even , Because most of the time , unless the AI out-resources me , i am the one with the superior force(late in the game , ofc)
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Re: AI War != Guerrilla Warfare?
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2010, 10:10:48 am »
What do people think about taking all planets (or at least destroying their command station) adjacent to your homeworld on higher difficulties? For example, is it still a good idea to pretty much *always* do this on diff 8.3? 9? Specifically, thinking about the AIP cost of destroying all adjacent-to-homeworld planets.