Swarmers and their use (Or lack of)

[Aklyon]

Weren't teleport raiders bad before, or am I thinking of a different teleporter?

[Draco18s]

Weren't teleport raiders bad before, or am I thinking of a different teleporter?

No, those were awful.  TP Battlestations were so much better.

[Toranth]

Weren't teleport raiders bad before, or am I thinking of a different teleporter?

No, those were awful.  TP Battlestations were so much better.

I seem to remember that TeleRaiders were rather good at taking out Wrath Lances and Forcefields on AI Homeworlds - cheap, fast, and good damage against those targets.
Niche... but an important one.

[MaxAstro]

TeleRaiders sucked long before the Wrath Lance existed - sometimes I wonder if creating the Wrath Lance was Keith's way of providing TeleRaiders with a buff...  :p

[Kahuna]

I'm not sure I'd describe Space Planes as "swarm units".  More like... "tactical murder dispensers".  :p

But yeah, I tend to agree that autocannons are pretty weak.

Funny to see raiders listed as beastly - I remember back when they were basically voted most underpowered unit in the game...

I consider any ship with 120 or higher ship cap to be swarmer

Autocannons are a joke. Not only are their stats bad.. they have a bad set of damage multipliers. I'd like to be afraid every time the AI unlocks swarmers.

Well just look at Raider's stats and you see there's nothing funny. Their stata got buffed by a lot and their damage multipliers were changed.

[Salamander]

Autocannons are a joke. Not only are their stats bad.. they have a bad set of damage multipliers. I'd like to be afraid every time the AI unlocks swarmers.

This is unfortunately too accurate. I dug up my now very old thread when I brought this up in AI War 4.0:

http://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,7486.msg61730.html#msg61730

They aren't the only unit and specifically swarmer that needs a buff but they are performing poorly still to this day and I'd love to see them be a unit people want to use.


Edit: Also way back when before the AI had guardians, they used turrets just like we did and that made that particular autocannon bonus much more desirable for the player.