Author Topic: Guard Post Defenders - When Do They Attack?  (Read 3157 times)

Offline Kemeno

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Guard Post Defenders - When Do They Attack?
« on: August 11, 2012, 09:33:21 pm »
I was under the impression that guard post defenders didn't abandon their post to attack an invading force unless you had a certain number of ships on the planet (some overwhelming amount). If you only attack with a handful of ships, they stick around their guard post until you get somewhat close. This is the whole 'battlefield within a battlefield' thing, right?

However, this doesn't always seem to be the case. If there are ships with infinite range, it seems like even poking on a planet will result in ALL of the defenders heading toward my invasion force (including the ones without infinite/long range). I can understand the infinite range ships attacking, but everything moving out seems a bit extreme. Is this supposed to happen? Under what circumstances do the AI ships abandon their guard posts (temporarily) to attack me if I move ships on their planet?

Offline Winge

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Re: Guard Post Defenders - When Do They Attack?
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2012, 09:05:04 pm »
I don't know them all, but here are some conditions that will cause a ship to go 'free':
1.  Their Guard Post is attacked*
2.  Their Guard Post is destroyed
3.  The Command Center is attacked (affects ALL Guard Posts on the planet)*
4.  The Command Center is destroyed (again, affects ALL Guard Posts on the planet)
5.  Certain AI Units will free ships under various conditions (eg an Alarm Post has a 50% chance to trigger if it is destroyed, 100% if a CC within 1 wormhole is destroyed)
6.  You bring in much more firepower than the AI's defenders (I think at least double)--all AI units go live and enter fight-or-flight mode
7.  Your attackers start firing on/get too near to the AI's ships.  This depends on the range of the defending vessel.  Typically, infinite range forces will attack you as soon as you enter.  However, they generally will not free other ships at the guard post.  Teleporting units may also be freed...I don't remember.

I'm sure that there are other conditions, but I'll let a more experienced player comment on that.  Or correct me if I'm wrong on the above.

Note that defenders under a shield are much more difficult to get to move than others.  Guess they like their little shooting post.  Also, if the AIs' ships are already free on a planet, they will join in planetary defense if you attack.  Or walk right past you and jump your planet.  As a rule, you should expect a counterattack any time you enter an AI's planet with military units (anything that isn't a Scout--INCLUDING TRANSPORTS!!!).

Some players take advantage of this and just blob the planet, counting on a good economy and Space Docks on infinite loops to offset losses.  This is definitely the faster approach, which makes it great for quickly clearing an important planet.  Others, like myself, use things like engine damage and tractors (when available) to spread out defenders and keep losses down.  Just because the guards go free does not mean you cannot fight a 'battlefield within a battlefield'...you just might have to create the arena yourself  8)

Hope that helps.

*I think that all of these are 50% chance to free the guards, but I am not sure
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Offline Wanderer

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Re: Guard Post Defenders - When Do They Attack?
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2012, 08:37:34 pm »
Short answer: You've brought in your blob and the firepower of your fleet was >2 of their fleet.  There's firepower calculations hiding in the forum somewhere, and they're... unclear during the game at best, particularly without a calculator and pre-built tables available.

Longer answer: Use raiding parties, not the full fleet, if you want to be sure of not firing up an entire planet.  You can bring your entire early fleet into III/IV planets without concerns, the firepower on those planets are quite high.  I/IIs will wake at a sneeze.
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