Wind Shelters in Lava Flats.....

[Misery]

.....is there any good strategy for dealing with this one?

I'm finding that it's nigh impossible to do these in a lava flat, for one reason:   the bloody dinosaurs.   Either you get covered in those accursed raptors (and you *cant* avoid them because of the wind and room design), or one of those idiot Rexes gets stuck somewhere, and takes a bazillion hits to kill WHILE you get covered in raptors.

Basically, the mission just consists of 1: get covered in raptors, 2: die.

....in case you cant tell, not a fan of the raptors.


There are certain points where the Rexes will spawn too near the entry (like, 3 character widths away), and will proceed to waddle over to the spot you're on, and....... that's it.   They stand there, they dont ever move back to the right so you can do anything.   And you cant just go back to the previous area because the moment you move..... yeah.

The ONLY solution I've thought of that MIGHT be viable is to use the bat form with a really, really high health character, since that seems to be literally the only way to dodge the raptors, but...... every time I try this I run into a stuck Rex (and of course Mr. High Health Bat cant kill even one).    And then I get covered in raptors.



Wind Shelters and such being what they are, this problem doesnt exactly get me stuck, but it does mean losing that shelter (which was specifically placed to make a couple of Shallows areas easy to open up).


I swear, those raptors are my bane.   Bloody things......


This is one of those "seemed like a good idea at the time" things, yup......

[x4000]

I suggest greater or lesser teleport.

[Misery]

I suggest greater or lesser teleport.

Aha, that one hadnt occurred to me.    I shall try that.   If I can get the stuff for it, the RNG was in a sadistic mood with this particular continent.  I'm sure it's quite pleased with itself over that one.

[x4000]

It tends to delight in such.

[nanostrike]

1) Turn into bat
2) Fly over dinosaurs
3)
4) Profit

[mrhanman]

Bats aren't heat resistant, are they?  And I think they're too small for a heatsuit. 

[Zozma]

1) Turn into a minrex
2) Model for an extremely adorable plush toy based on an internet comic that will sell for pots of money and spawn an internet blog based around pictures of you in hilarious and/or unexpected locales (http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QW-WEEREX&Category_Code=QW)
3)
4) Profit

Fix'd

[IIE16 Yoshi]

I entered this thread thinking there was gonna be some sly comment on how a windmill even works on a plain of lava. Ah well...

[Misery]

Actually, it turns out that this mission WAS truly impossible.   There wasnt any way to do it aside from dropping the difficulty to nothing to make the godforsaken dinos killable.

Why?

........ because I'm at tier 1 on this continent, and Umbra Embers wont show up yet;  they require tier 2 missions.   No teleport, and no other way past the dinos.    Even the highest attack characters cant kill those things fast enough to get through the mission without A: dying to wind, or more likely B: dying to raptors.

The raptors themselves are nigh-invincible, and without double/triple jump..... which is actually UNUSABLE here (lava flats!), you cant evade them by leaping over them.     Even if you try, they're gonna get underneath you ANYWAY, and you can guess what happens then.    But that's in a NORMAL situation.   You DEFINITELY cant jump over them when you've got to go up a steep hill or a vertical cliff with nowhere to place platforms (half the time, I cant place those ANYWAY because raptors).


I hate doing it, but cheating with the difficulty was literally the only way to resume progress.    In all honesty,  if it wasnt for the buggy Rexes, this mighta been doable;   I say buggy because the game keeps literally spawning them ON the character;  I made many, many attempts at this to see if I could find a way to make it happen, and probably 80% of them ended because the game spawned one of those things ON me.  You're dead in that situation regardless of what you do.    The game doesnt seem to do this with any other foe, either.   I know it used to have that bug for many enemies, but that was mostly removed.... the Rexes are still doing it though (and really frequently).   It ONLY happens in this mission type though.  I havent seen this occur in normal outdoor chunks, or in other mission types.

[Nethellus]

Rexes are even worse in buildings. Especially in stairways. When I enter a door I have to jump in the very first second and hope I live, or stand still and end up inside a dinosaur that does not want to move at all, no matter how long I wait. This means I have to go back through the door and forget the rest of that building, or die.

EDIT: I just noticed, I don't think they show up in buildings any more. That was in a previous version. But I guess this could still happen outside. =)

[magnus17]

Do you mind if I ask what difficulty you were at? I just went through two lava flats wind shelter missions, also a tier 1, and had no problems with it, and now I'm worried my difficulty is really low. (I'm at 1 above the default, on continent 2)

I don't have much experience with raptors or rexs yet, as I just saw them for the first time today, but I used a boosted jump height enchant and the dash to get over anyone I didn't feel like fighting. Once you get about halfway across, a good dash-jump will cover most of the map and get you around any remaining microbosses (maybe with a hit or two, but I've got 600+ health, so tanking a bit is fine with me).

[nanostrike]

Bats aren't heat resistant, are they?  And I think they're too small for a heatsuit. 

They aren't.  You have to move FAST.  A high-hp character helps.

[Misery]

Do you mind if I ask what difficulty you were at? I just went through two lava flats wind shelter missions, also a tier 1, and had no problems with it, and now I'm worried my difficulty is really low. (I'm at 1 above the default, on continent 2)

I don't have much experience with raptors or rexs yet, as I just saw them for the first time today, but I used a boosted jump height enchant and the dash to get over anyone I didn't feel like fighting. Once you get about halfway across, a good dash-jump will cover most of the map and get you around any remaining microbosses (maybe with a hit or two, but I've got 600+ health, so tanking a bit is fine with me).

I'm playing at Hero, I think.


And I dont think the game even ONCE generated a situation where I could just jump OVER the Rexes.   The problem was that the horrid things kept getting stuck in tunnel entrances/exits..... which pretty much every chunk of the mission had somewhere.   And the "boss" raptors take 8 kersquillion hits to kill AND just eat your health, and if a Rex is blocking the only path out, well...... you cant avoid the raptors, because the rex is in the way of doing that.


Also.... I dont know how you were using a boosted jump enchant, since pretty much ALL of the leg enchants I've seen say that you're "too heavy to use this" if you're using either version of heatsuit (or robot). 



And I'd tried using a high-health character (which is what I usually use in Shelter missions), but.... again, the Rexes.  They were often BOSS rexes too, and that meant that this massive mobile WALL (with big, big teeth) was often blocking the path out, and Mr. High Health couldnt do NEARLY enough damage to actually defeat them..... particularly not with a boss Raptor repeatedly jumping on his head (usually with additional raptors around as well).  The Rexes have tons of health as it is, but the boss version..... yeesh.

[lunarknight64]

if you wanted to be heat resistant and be able to double/triple jump couldn't you be one of the dino people you can rescue from the lava flats?

[Misery]

if you wanted to be heat resistant and be able to double/triple jump couldn't you be one of the dino people you can rescue from the lava flats?

I'd thought of that, and those guys are useful, but..... not for shelter missions.  They just dont have enough health.   Tried using them a couple of times for that, they just got flattened like everyone else, hah.


For the time being I'm just going to avoid setting shelters in the Lava Flats;  that seems to be the only area I SHOULDNT use it in.