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Re: Where is clay and what do vases look like?
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2012, 08:26:53 am »
You also get three rare commodities free at the end of every mission; so even if it's not specifically a rare commodity mission, you can check what else you'll get just from, say, wind shelter missions.

Secret missions, coming this week, will also help with balance in terms of letting you not get trapped by the rng.
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Re: Where is clay and what do vases look like?
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2012, 08:39:32 am »
You also get three rare commodities free at the end of every mission; so even if it's not specifically a rare commodity mission, you can check what else you'll get just from, say, wind shelter missions.

Secret missions, coming this week, will also help with balance in terms of letting you not get trapped by the rng.

Not sure I'm getting any rare commodities on any missions so far. Are the commodities received random? I'm really struggling to find charred amber and that's the one I really need.

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Re: Where is clay and what do vases look like?
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2012, 09:12:35 am »
If you right-click a mission on the world map, it should show you three rare commodities that you'll get in addition to whatever the main mission reward is -- if you're not seeing any, they may just be older missions, I'm not sure.  New missions should always include at least 3.  In another version or so it will be 5 rare commodities or 3 guardian powers, instead, with each main mission.  And then secret missions you can undertake for specific rewards that you need.
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Re: Where is clay and what do vases look like?
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2012, 09:13:58 am »
The only extra rewards I see when I right-click are the 3x Tier stones. No rare commodities.

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Re: Where is clay and what do vases look like?
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2012, 09:16:44 am »
At tier 1 that might be correct, but at higher tiers you should be seeing some.  Unless absolutely nothing has been unlocked yet, or the specific region type just doesn't include any missions.  Charred Amber, specifically, will only ever show up in ocean, ocean shallows, desert, and grasslands.

There may well be a bug here as well, I'm not yet sure, but last time we tested it internally it seemed to be working for us.
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Re: Where is clay and what do vases look like?
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2012, 09:20:20 am »
Even old missions should be getting them, on world-load it checks all missions and any with fewer than 3 rare commodity rewards tries to roll some.  If there aren't any eligible commodities it still doesn't add any, though.
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Re: Where is clay and what do vases look like?
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2012, 09:24:05 am »
The only extra rewards I see when I right-click are the 3x Tier stones. No rare commodities.

This is what I'm seeing too even on new tier 2 or 3 missions.

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Re: Where is clay and what do vases look like?
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2012, 09:31:56 am »
Keith, can you look at this this morning?  I asked Josh to look at repro to see what he can find, too.
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Re: Where is clay and what do vases look like?
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2012, 09:33:57 am »
Are there any tier limitations to when Charred Amber is supposed to spawn? Otherwise I've got a world with plenty of T1 missions without special rewards in them.

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Re: Where is clay and what do vases look like?
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2012, 09:35:18 am »
Charred amber should be tier 2 and up only.
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Re: Where is clay and what do vases look like?
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2012, 09:36:05 am »
Keith, can you look at this this morning?  I asked Josh to look at repro to see what he can find, too.
Yea, if someone gives me a world with some T2+ missions (preferably like 3+ of them) with no commodities I can debug the world-load logic that's supposed to be populating the commodities list for each of those.  The mission-gen logic uses the same code for that step, I believe.
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Re: Where is clay and what do vases look like?
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2012, 09:38:03 am »
Keith, can you look at this this morning?  I asked Josh to look at repro to see what he can find, too.
Yea, if someone gives me a world with some T2+ missions (preferably like 3+ of them) with no commodities I can debug the world-load logic that's supposed to be populating the commodities list for each of those.  The mission-gen logic uses the same code for that step, I believe.

I can upload one after work in about 5 hours or so. Hopefully someone can upload sooner so you can get a head start on the issue.

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Re: Where is clay and what do vases look like?
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2012, 10:07:02 am »
Has anyone gotten clay to drop from the vases in the new update? I have clay unlocked, went into tier 4 regions and destroyed some vases I found in the hallways but they didn't drop any clay for me. Anyone else have this problem?

Coming in the next version:

* Fixed a bug with the last few versions (since the changeover to the tiers and such) where regular commodities would drop only if they had no unlock tier, or their unlock tier was exactly the forces of evil tier.  Meaning that you couldn't get copper at tier 4, as one example.  Or clay at tier 3, etc, etc.

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Re: Where is clay and what do vases look like?
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2012, 10:35:46 am »
Keith, can you look at this this morning?  I asked Josh to look at repro to see what he can find, too.
Yea, if someone gives me a world with some T2+ missions (preferably like 3+ of them) with no commodities I can debug the world-load logic that's supposed to be populating the commodities list for each of those.  The mission-gen logic uses the same code for that step, I believe.

Tier 3, bunch of missions of various tiers, all of which are only giving orbs. Also, evil ghosts everywhere  :P
Also I've noticed you can't complete the T2 objectives once reaching T3 or later, without moving to another continent. Also, the island on this world is near-impossible to reach due to the fact you can't really use docks to move to other islands.
Also, I like using the word also.

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Re: Where is clay and what do vases look like?
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2012, 01:05:19 pm »
Uploaded my the world.dat from my current game as mentioned earlier:

http://www.arcengames.com/mantisbt/view.php?id=5541

If you need more info let me know.