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Offline Drak

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Concerning the new Relation Buildings
« on: May 01, 2014, 10:59:17 am »
Ok, so I'm a bit of a nut-job and sat down to figure out the complex relationship buildings, and here's what I can up with (didn't put it on the wiki because I don't want to spoil the fun for others :). I make one assumption that I'm not 100% sure on though; tThat the faction adjustment toward the owner's own race is basically ignored (ie, Evucks don't get mad at themselves for building Confectionaries on their planets). I came up with these build sets with a few goals in mind. 1) All positive gains (no negatives), so that once constructed, they'll lead to an ever more friendly system (and eventually, hopefully, a federation). 2) Try to have at least a small gain for every race (even if that meant less overall gain across all races), 3) Maximize overall gain (except as noted in #1, 2), 4) minimize the number of buildings that need to be built where possible (without sacrificing #1, 2, or 3) to reduce time/goon requirements.

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This table just lists the values as pulled from the in-game tooltips:

All
Total
Acut
Andr
Boar
Burl
Evuk
Pelt
Skyl
Thor
Totals:
1
0.3
-0.4
0.2
0.2
0.95
0.5
0.15
-0.9
Arms Dealer
0
0.15
0.3
-0.15
-0.3
Confectionary
0.15
0.3
-0.3
0.15
Cryo-storage Warren
0
-0.15
0.15
0.3
-0.3
Gladitorial Arena
0
0.15
-0.15
0.3
-0.3
HC: Adventure
-0.15
-0.3
0.3
-0.3
0.15
HC: Documentaries
0
-0.15
-0.3
0.3
0.15
HC: Family Stories
0
-0.3
0.3
0.15
-0.15
HC: Inappropriate
0.25
0.3
0.3
-0.05
-0.3
HC: Reality
0
0.3
-0.3
0.15
-0.15
HC: Sports
0
0.3
-0.15
-0.3
0.15
Hydroponic Plant
0
0.3
-0.3
0.05
-0.05
Interactive Teaching
0.45
0.05
-0.05
0.15
0.3
Pastorial Hideaway
-0.1
-0.3
0.05
-0.15
0.3
Philosophic Academy
0.4
-0.05
0.3
0.15
Protien Vats
0
0.15
-0.15
0.3
-0.3
                                    

These tables represent my "ideal" kits for each race's planets (so I build Acutian kits on each acutian world for instance).

Acutians
Count
Total
Acut
Andr
Boar
Burl
Evuk
Pelt
Skyl
Thor
Totals:
21
4.05
0
0.45
0.6
0.75
0.5
1
0.45
0.3
Confectionary
3
0.45
0.9
-0.9
0.45
HC: Adventure
2
-0.3
-0.6
0.6
-0.6
0.3
HC: Inappropriate
3
0.75
0.9
0.9
-0.15
-0.9
HC: Sports
3
0
0.9
-0.45
-0.9
0.45
Hydroponic Plant
1
0
0.3
-0.3
0.05
-0.05
Interactive Teaching
3
1.35
0.15
-0.15
0.45
0.9
Pastorial Hideaway
3
0.6
0.15
-0.45
0.9
Philosophic Academy
3
1.2
-0.15
0.9
0.45
                                    
Andor
Count
Total
Acut
Andr
Boar
Burl
Evuk
Pelt
Skyl
Thor
Totals:
20
4.05
0.45
0
0.45
0.9
1.05
0.45
0.45
0.3
Confectionary
3
0.45
0.9
-0.9
0.45
Gladitorial Arena
3
0.45
0.45
0.9
-0.9
HC: Adventure
2
0.3
0.6
-0.6
0.3
HC: Documentaries
2
0
-0.3
-0.6
0.6
0.3
HC: Reality
2
0.6
0.6
0.3
-0.3
Interactive Teaching
3
1.35
0.15
-0.15
0.45
0.9
Pastorial Hideaway
2
-0.3
-0.6
-0.3
0.6
Philosophic Academy
3
1.2
-0.15
0.9
0.45
                                    
Boarine
Count
Total
Acut
Andr
Boar
Burl
Evuk
Pelt
Skyl
Thor
Totals:
19
3.65
0.3
0.3
0
1.2
0.75
0.5
0.45
0.15
Confectionary
3
0.45
0.9
-0.9
0.45
Gladitorial Arena
2
0
0.3
-0.3
0.6
-0.6
HC: Adventure
1
-0.45
-0.3
-0.3
0.15
HC: Documentaries
2
0.3
-0.6
0.6
0.3
HC: Inappropriate
2
0.5
0.6
0.6
-0.1
-0.6
HC: Sports
3
0.45
0.9
-0.9
0.45
Interactive Teaching
3
1.2
-0.15
0.45
0.9
Philosophic Academy
3
1.2
-0.15
0.9
0.45
                                    
Burlust
Count
Total
Acut
Andr
Boar
Burl
Evuk
Pelt
Skyl
Thor
Totals:
21
3.75
0.15
0.15
0.45
0
0.9
0.3
1.65
0.15
Confectionary
2
-0.3
-0.6
0.3
Gladitorial Arena
1
-0.3
0.15
-0.15
-0.3
HC: Adventure
2
-0.3
-0.6
0.6
-0.6
0.3
HC: Documentaries
3
0.9
-0.45
0.9
0.45
HC: Family Stories
1
0
-0.3
0.3
0.15
-0.15
HC: Sports
3
0
0.9
-0.45
-0.9
0.45
Hydroponic Plant
3
0.9
0.9
0.15
-0.15
Interactive Teaching
3
1.5
0.15
0.45
0.9
Philosophic Academy
3
1.35
0.9
0.45
                                    
Evuck
Count
Total
Acut
Andr
Boar
Burl
Evuk
Pelt
Skyl
Thor
Totals:
15
3.15
0.15
0.15
0.3
0.9
0
0.3
1.05
0.3
Confectionary
3
1.35
0.9
0.45
Gladitorial Arena
1
0
0.15
-0.15
0.3
-0.3
HC: Adventure
2
-0.3
-0.6
0.6
-0.6
0.3
HC: Sports
3
0.9
0.9
-0.45
0.45
Interactive Teaching
3
0.9
0.15
-0.15
0.9
Philosophic Academy
3
0.3
-0.15
0.45
                                    
Peltian
Count
Total
Acut
Andr
Boar
Burl
Evuk
Pelt
Skyl
Thor
Totals:
15
3.05
0.15
0.15
0.45
0.9
0.8
0
0.45
0.15
Confectionary
2
0
0.6
-0.6
Gladitorial Arena
1
0
0.15
-0.15
0.3
-0.3
HC: Adventure
1
0.15
-0.3
0.3
0.15
HC: Inappropriate
2
0.6
0.6
0.6
-0.6
HC: Sports
2
-0.3
0.6
-0.3
-0.6
Hydroponic Plant
1
0.05
0.3
-0.3
0.05
Interactive Teaching
3
1.35
0.15
-0.15
0.45
0.9
Philosophic Academy
3
1.2
-0.15
0.9
0.45
                                    
Skylaxian
Count
Total
Acut
Andr
Boar
Burl
Evuk
Pelt
Skyl
Thor
Totals:
21
3.6
0.45
0.15
0.9
1.05
0.6
0.3
0
0.15
Confectionary
3
0.45
0.9
-0.9
0.45
Gladitorial Arena
1
0.3
0.15
-0.15
0.3
HC: Adventure
1
-0.15
-0.3
0.3
-0.3
0.15
HC: Inappropriate
3
1.65
0.9
0.9
-0.15
HC: Reality
1
0.15
0.3
-0.3
0.15
HC: Sports
3
0
0.9
-0.45
-0.9
0.45
Hydroponic Plant
3
0
0.9
-0.9
0.15
-0.15
Interactive Teaching
3
0.45
0.15
-0.15
0.45
Philosophic Academy
3
0.75
-0.15
0.9
                                    
Thoraxian
Count
Total
Acut
Andr
Boar
Burl
Evuk
Pelt
Skyl
Thor
Totals:
24
6.6
0.45
0.3
0.45
1.2
2.45
0.7
1.05
0
Arms Dealer
3
0.9
0.45
0.9
-0.45
Confectionary
3
0.45
0.9
-0.9
0.45
Cryo-storage Warren
3
0.9
-0.45
0.45
0.9
HC: Family Stories
1
0.15
-0.3
0.3
0.15
HC: Inappropriate
3
0.75
0.9
0.9
-0.15
-0.9
HC: Sports
1
0
0.3
-0.15
-0.3
0.15
Hydroponic Plant
1
0
0.3
-0.3
0.05
-0.05
Interactive Teaching
3
1.35
0.15
-0.15
0.45
0.9
Philosophic Academy
3
1.2
-0.15
0.9
0.45
Protien Vats
3
0.9
0.45
-0.45
0.9
                                    

« Last Edit: May 01, 2014, 11:13:42 am by Drak »

Offline Drak

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Re: Concerning the new Relation Buildings
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2014, 11:03:12 am »
Hmm, now all I've got to do is figure out how to turn on table borders...

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Re: Concerning the new Relation Buildings
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2014, 11:17:32 am »
Note that attitude buildings are weird in 1.009. You only get the strongest positive effect from any building (so building three of a +0.3, and three of a +0.15, will get you +0.3 a month), and perversely if you have any negative effect at all it seems to prefer applying a negative effect to a positive one (so a +0.3 and a -0.15 will result in -0.15 a month).

I've Mantised this, but it's still very relevant for anyone trying to build in 1.009.
Furthermore, it is my opinion that Hari must be destroyed.

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Re: Concerning the new Relation Buildings
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2014, 11:25:13 am »
Sigh, scrap all this then - lol.

Offline GC13

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Re: Concerning the new Relation Buildings
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2014, 11:45:15 am »
Well, we can always hope that 1.01 (or would it be 1.0010? This is why I prefer dots, so 1.0.0.10) fixes the attitude buildings.

Apparently it's at least being fixed that multiples don't stack, though the negative nullifying the positive wasn't mentioned.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2014, 11:48:46 am by GC13 »
Furthermore, it is my opinion that Hari must be destroyed.

Offline Drak

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Re: Concerning the new Relation Buildings
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2014, 05:18:01 am »
The new "tenthing" for "pacing" reasons has rendered the tooltips a little misleading too I think (I'm betting the values that read as 0.002, but used to be 0.015 are actually a display rounding of 0.0015, and the difference is significant, especially compounded over hundreds of months and possibly multiple coppies of the building.

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Re: Concerning the new Relation Buildings
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2014, 10:01:06 am »
Confirmed to work this way in 1.016.

 

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