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Offline Cyprene

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I can't make the Evucks declare war, and I don't know why
« on: April 16, 2014, 09:43:19 PM »
I want to make the Evucks declare war on the Acturians (I've said this in other posts, but I hate those guys.)

It won't let me though.  When I go to "Attack Another Race", it says under "Why You Cannot Do This Right Now:"

1.  Looks like there aren't any races that are valid for this.
2.  This race is currently unwilling or unable to launch that kind of attack.

I don't know what this means, though.  What makes a race "valid"?  Why would the Evucks be unwilling or unable to go kill them? 

Offline nat_401

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Re: I can't make the Evucks declare war, and I don't know why
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2014, 11:37:23 PM »
A race needs enough personal transports for all the ground troops necessary for an invasion before one can be launched. If they haven't dedicated enough of there economy to build enough they cannot attack, I recommend that you help out with there military and economy to speed this up bit. The planet information screen shows how much a race is focusing on personnel transports. Hope this helps.
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Offline keith.lamothe

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Re: I can't make the Evucks declare war, and I don't know why
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2014, 11:46:26 PM »
There's kind of a lot of reasons the race might not be willing (truces have a force duration, etc).  And there's kind of a lot of reasons an individual race might not be eligible as a target even if the race you're talking to is otherwise willing to attack. 

It'd be nice if the game were able to tell you all the details, but I'm not sure if or when we'll have time to plumb all that logic through with reason-specifying code.
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Re: I can't make the Evucks declare war, and I don't know why
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2014, 04:03:54 AM »
Are there more information regarding this? "Unwilling or unable" is not sufficient for us to know what can be done to remedy the situation.
For me, it is happening to the Skylaxians.
If they don't have enough personnel transports, how do I increase how much budget they are using to build it?
There are no truce between anyone, the two races absolutely hate each other (relations in the negative thousands both ways), so what am I missing?

« Last Edit: May 01, 2014, 04:50:29 AM by forte712 »

Offline LaGrange

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Re: I can't make the Evucks declare war, and I don't know why
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2014, 09:16:23 AM »
There's kind of a lot of reasons the race might not be willing (truces have a force duration, etc).  And there's kind of a lot of reasons an individual race might not be eligible as a target even if the race you're talking to is otherwise willing to attack. 

It'd be nice if the game were able to tell you all the details, but I'm not sure if or when we'll have time to plumb all that logic through with reason-specifying code.
But if we'll never get the reasons in-game, then we won't know what to do in order to successfully perform the action. Is that by design? Is the idea that we should spend some time guessing what the preventative factors might be, and then take a risk implementing a strategy based on guesswork? I'm not denying you may have a larger reason for not making the details transparent from the beginning, but I'd be interested in your thoughts.

Offline lifehole

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Re: I can't make the Evucks declare war, and I don't know why
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2014, 09:23:54 AM »
It is infuriating when you want to be the mastermind but there is no clear way to. Couldn't the evucks just TELL me why they won't declare war? This applies to so many different situations in the game where you are not presented a clear "why you cant do this" or "what does this do." And with no real wiki, new players must be suffering. I know I am.

Offline iplaytlf2014

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Re: I can't make the Evucks declare war, and I don't know why
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2014, 01:54:43 PM »
yea, i agree that it can be frustrating to want to do something and  have real hard time doing it or not able to do it.  i already beaten the game with like 5 members federation.  but i still feel there 's much left unexplored.  and yea, a wiki would definitely help resolve some burning questions.

Offline Conductorbosh

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Re: I can't make the Evucks declare war, and I don't know why
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2014, 03:50:40 PM »
It'd be nice if the game were able to tell you all the details, but I'm not sure if or when we'll have time to plumb all that logic through with reason-specifying code.

Not being sure when is fine. The "if" is really concerning. The game is great thus far, but nearly everybody wants some basic transparency on things like this. It's one of the biggest problems in the game, and is definitely a bigger issue than the average game length not being exactly where it's wanted, which is what the bulk of many updates seem to be working on ATM.