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Title: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: Sounds on January 20, 2016, 06:54:13 AM
I've finally got my PS3 Controller mapped and what I've discovered is that the game feels a lot better to play. :)

My main thought at the moment is that keyboard controls are a handicap for the player. Also seeing Misery's Boss videos on hard suggests that using the keyboard (for me) would be an exercise in frustration. Do other testers have a preference?

Would new players enjoy playing with the keyboard past a certain frustration point?

I can see envisage a lot "throw the keyboard at screen" type of disgust relating to the keyboard control. Thinking aloud; maybe the appeal is partly related to overcoming the frustration and gaining more experience with the keyboard as a right of passage?

Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: Cinth on January 20, 2016, 07:05:32 AM
I started playing K/M and moved to controller once I found a way to set it up.  I prefer the controller.
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: Misery on January 20, 2016, 07:39:40 AM
Keyboard/mouse are typically absolutely bloody terrible for a game of this type, universally.   This just gets worse the more bullets there are.  And anything I touch is going to have alot of bullets. 

I personally cant imagine playing this or anything similar with anything that ISNT a controller.
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: nas1m on January 20, 2016, 09:36:21 AM
Definitely keyboard and mouse for me.
I tend to be dead multiple floors earlier using the gamepad for some reason (even though I am a wizened console hero - man that hurts).
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: Rujasu on January 20, 2016, 09:48:20 AM
I tried a gamepad for a little bit, but didn't really like it. I also couldn't really figure out how to aim energy weapons since holding the stick fires primary and prevents use of energy weapons.
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: Tolc on January 20, 2016, 10:33:07 AM
I tried both K/M and 360 controller and so far I like the controller a bit better.  The controller certainly allows for more precision while dodging diagonally. Playing with a keyboard instead isn't that bad, though.
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: Misery on January 20, 2016, 11:23:49 AM
Definitely keyboard and mouse for me.
I tend to be dead multiple floors earlier using the gamepad for some reason (even though I am a wizened console hero - man that hurts).

What kind of controller are you using?
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: nas1m on January 20, 2016, 12:49:59 PM
Definitely keyboard and mouse for me.
I tend to be dead multiple floors earlier using the gamepad for some reason (even though I am a wizened console hero - man that hurts).

What kind of controller are you using?
XBox360 Wireless - so yeah, it should work better for me I guess - maybe I am just getting old ;).
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: Captain Jack on January 20, 2016, 01:24:31 PM
I'm using a Wii U Pro Controller via an adapter. It's super comfy. Tried giving the game a play on KB+M and wasn't happy. Come to think of it, that might be the reason I bounced off of Isaac so hard and really like SR... Hm.

Anyway, whatever's most convenient for the player is the preference. I feel there is a real advantage to using a gamepad, but I'm sure somewhere in the world there are players who'll swear by the keyboard options.

(I also tried playing it via my laptop's trackpad. I, uh, don't recommend it)
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: Professor Paul1290 on January 20, 2016, 05:35:40 PM
Currently I play with keyboard and mouse.

I have a controller, but I play most PC shmups and platformers with keyboard (and mouse if applicable) if it works decently. I'll usually try them with a controller to see if it works better, but usually I need to get a noticeable "performance benefit" for me to bother getting out the controller for that game after that, and for me that doesn't happen all too often.

Part of it is probably out of habit.
I started playing shmups by playing Touhou games during long waiting times between military-simulation-style ArmA missions. I typically used keyboard because I wouldn't have a gamepad hooked up at the time, so I got used to playing shmups with keyboard and the habit kind of stuck.

Honestly, I think the games my controller gets the most use for are the Dark Souls series, console-style action games like Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, and driving games like Euro Truck Simulator 2.
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: Misery on January 20, 2016, 05:46:56 PM
(I also tried playing it via my laptop's trackpad. I, uh, don't recommend it)

That hurts to even think about.
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: Matruchus on January 20, 2016, 05:55:12 PM
Keyboard and mouse definitely. Tried playing a few games with xbox/pc controller and its so non intuitive that I just thrown it in to the closet and forgot about it.

The old retro consoles controles were the best for me. Or gameboy controler.

But in this game keyboard and mouse work perfectly. The only issue are the small box like openings in the walls where its really painfull to get in with the keyboard.
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: Captain Jack on January 20, 2016, 08:30:51 PM
(I also tried playing it via my laptop's trackpad. I, uh, don't recommend it)

That hurts to even think about.
Not as much as being unable to beat Battleswarm on easy. :V
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: keith.lamothe on January 20, 2016, 08:57:47 PM
My keyboard's trackpad works pretty well against Normal. But I'm not generally viewing the game from the player perspective.
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: zharmad on January 20, 2016, 09:37:22 PM
Well, my partner and I are minimising our belongings while working overseas, so there's no chance of me owning a luxury like a gamepad.

Keyboard and mouse tends to work quite well for standard difficulties. While it's one of the main reasons I can't do pixel perfect movement, I can probably aim much better with the mouse.
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: Castruccio on January 21, 2016, 05:29:43 PM
Has anyone else found that it is easy to lose the mouse pointer icon when things get hetctic and there are bullets all over the screen?  When I am fighting bosses, I always end up dying because I lose track of where the white pointer is and can't tell precisely where I am aiming.  I like the shape of the pointer icon in principle, but I do lose track of it frequently.  Maybe changing the color would help, or allowing the player to select the color in the options menu.  I'm not sure what color or shape would make this less likely to happen.
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: Professor Paul1290 on January 21, 2016, 05:43:53 PM
Has anyone else found that it is easy to lose the mouse pointer icon when things get hetctic and there are bullets all over the screen?  When I am fighting bosses, I always end up dying because I lose track of where the white pointer is and can't tell precisely where I am aiming.  I like the shape of the pointer icon in principle, but I do lose track of it frequently.  Maybe changing the color would help, or allowing the player to select the color in the options menu.  I'm not sure what color or shape would make this less likely to happen.

I haven't run into that problem too much mostly because the mech has that little laser that points to where your pointer is, which really narrows down where it could possibly be.

That said, maybe something similar to the "rainbow cursor" from AVWW would solve the blending in problem. (it was one of those specific odd features I really liked)
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: nas1m on January 21, 2016, 05:54:43 PM
Has anyone else found that it is easy to lose the mouse pointer icon when things get hetctic and there are bullets all over the screen?  When I am fighting bosses, I always end up dying because I lose track of where the white pointer is and can't tell precisely where I am aiming.  I like the shape of the pointer icon in principle, but I do lose track of it frequently.  Maybe changing the color would help, or allowing the player to select the color in the options menu.  I'm not sure what color or shape would make this less likely to happen.
Maybe simply always using the inverse color of the current stuff under the cursor would do the trick?
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: Castruccio on January 21, 2016, 06:31:33 PM
Has anyone else found that it is easy to lose the mouse pointer icon when things get hetctic and there are bullets all over the screen?  When I am fighting bosses, I always end up dying because I lose track of where the white pointer is and can't tell precisely where I am aiming.  I like the shape of the pointer icon in principle, but I do lose track of it frequently.  Maybe changing the color would help, or allowing the player to select the color in the options menu.  I'm not sure what color or shape would make this less likely to happen.

I haven't run into that problem too much mostly because the mech has that little laser that points to where your pointer is, which really narrows down where it could possibly be.

That said, maybe something similar to the "rainbow cursor" from AVWW would solve the blending in problem. (it was one of those specific odd features I really liked)

The laser helps with general direction, but not with the distance of the pointer from my mech. It might be just a problem with me.  I have played a lot of Diablo 3, and there the pointer is important for ranged characters to keep track of both also easy to find on the screen at all times.  I may just need to acclimate better to stsrward rogue. 
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: Rujasu on January 21, 2016, 07:45:41 PM
I did suggest a colour selection on mantis but I've had much more problems with finding the cursor over time. That inverse colour trick would be great.
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: Cyprene on January 21, 2016, 08:15:10 PM
Controller all the way.
This isn't an ultra-fine control SHMUP like say, Touhou.
Title: Re: Keyboard vs Controller: Is there a general preference?
Post by: Matruchus on January 21, 2016, 09:46:57 PM
Has anyone else found that it is easy to lose the mouse pointer icon when things get hetctic and there are bullets all over the screen?  When I am fighting bosses, I always end up dying because I lose track of where the white pointer is and can't tell precisely where I am aiming.  I like the shape of the pointer icon in principle, but I do lose track of it frequently.  Maybe changing the color would help, or allowing the player to select the color in the options menu.  I'm not sure what color or shape would make this less likely to happen.
Yes, it happens a lot of times to me especially since I'm not looking at that laser pointer from the mech (laser sword  :) ) but at the aim mostly. Yes died a few times when fighting bossees cause of that too. Ah, well we learn as long as live :)