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Offline TechSY730

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(Former "complaint" thread)
« on: June 01, 2014, 05:21:23 PM »
(This used to be a post basically retreading my "A proposal...no, a plea!" thread (see my followup post for link), just with a lot more anger and rage. It also expressed concerns about Arcen in general and many of their recent releases. Because I have essentially covered most of these points in much more "sane" terms elsewhere, I have effectively removed my old post)
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(Former "complaint" thread)
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2014, 05:25:43 PM »
Some other threads touching this "topic":

"A Proposal...no...a Plea!": http://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,15597.0.html <-- A far more calm and sane post by me about this sort of thing
"I cant play this game anymore without getting irrationally angry": http://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,15643.0.html <-- Not by me, but echoing similar sentimants
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I suspect that the strength of your reaction has more to do with factors in your life other than the game.
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I was doing a multiplayer game with tech and we got a 2K mark V ship exo that was bombards, maws, reprocessors, some bombers, and guardians 80 minutes in. It was difficult for us to get some time to play together.

It was difficulty 8. There was no warning. We only had hard golems that could of tirggered an exo and it was a slaughter. It was like a fallen spire exo.

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I suspect that the strength of your reaction has more to do with factors in your life other than the game.

You are most certainly right. I am in a big transition period in my life right now.


I just sort of needed to "get this out" somewhat, and say some things I've been wanting to say for a while but didn't know how to do it.

It's funny, no matter how much you mature, one sometimes acts so immature at time. It's been what, 3-4 years here, and I just made a post like a ranting 13 year old...


I would like to point out that I everything I posted here I have been concerned about AI War and Arcen in general for quite some time now, and I do truly mean it, even if I don't truly mean the strength of the emotion in this post.


I will continue discussions about this in other threads where I am much more "sane" about this. Again, sorry.  I may take this post down in a bit (a few days), if you don't do so before me.


Thank you for listening.


Also, if you think I need a temp ban for this, I am not going to argue against it.


@vigilo It wasn't just that, though that certianly didn't help. There is a huge heap of annoyances that have been piling up so far.

Please make a dedicated bug report about this, and I will continue the discussion and debugging of that in that thread.

Thread has been made: http://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,15741.msg174350.html
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2014, 06:00:27 PM »
I was doing a multiplayer game with tech and we got a 2K mark V ship exo that was bombards, maws, reprocessors, some bombers, and guardians 80 minutes in.

It was difficulty 8. There was no warning. We only had hard golems that could of tirggered an exo and it was a slaughter. It was like a fallen spire exo.
Ouch, sorry about that.  If you have the wave logs and/or a save (preferably from before the wave announcement, but after is ok too) that would help me figure out why it generated something so nasty.


It's funny, no matter how much you mature, one sometimes acts so immature at time. It's been what, 3-4 years here, and I just made a post like a ranting 13 year old...
I have moments like that too, but I've learned to keep my distance from the internet during such times ;)


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I would like to point out that I everything I posted here I have been concerned about AI War and Arcen in general for quite some time now, and I do truly mean it, even if I don't truly mean the strength of the emotion in this post.
Yes, I'm aware that the underlying sentiment is consistent with the trajectory of your previous feedback.  And in some cases I agree that it's necessary for the short-term good of the game, and in some cases I don't. 

Generally if I don't it's because I think you're way more concerned about it than most/all of the rest of the community.  Bugs/lacks-of-features that "offend your inner engineer", etc.  And so when I get feedback from you (or anyone, really) I have to try to put it through a player-specific filter to get back to the "original signal", you might say, which is less skewed by personal factors.


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I will continue discussions about this in other threads where I am much more "sane" about this. Again, sorry.  I may take this post down in a bit (a few days), if you don't do so before me.
I appreciate (and accept) the apology and would appreciate if you didn't leave it up very long if you don't think it's accurate in both denotation and connotation, but I don't think I'll moderate it unilaterally as I don't think any rules were obviously broken.


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Also, if you think I need a temp ban for this, I am not going to argue against it.
I prefer that we each self-moderate, if possible :)


On the more general issue of betas-being-broken, etc, I don't consider it ok for the betas to stay broken, but I do consider it inevitable that some beta releases will be broken.  If said brokenness is reported to me in a timely and reasonably-thorough manner (such that I can actually act on the report/feedback/etc) then I think we have a very good track record of making those periods of brokenness very brief.

What is a problem is that the official releases don't really serve the purpose of a long-term-stable version.  For folks like you and Lancefighter who've put hundreds or thousands of hours into the game and been through at least one cycle of burnout on it, I think it would be a more pleasant experience for you if you could pick up something that wasn't in flux, play it when you want to, and then put it down.  Rather than being caught up in the development grinder just to play the game.  Being part of the beta process is really great for a lot of people, but I can very much understand that it's not for everyone.

To that end I am making a very specific effort to make 8.0 something that is an eminently reasonable choice to play (compared to the betas which follow it) until the official version which follows it.  And I hope to have official versions happen more often, but that may be a somewhat tougher bridge to cross, we'll see.
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2014, 06:06:18 PM »
Thanks for the understanding. Also thanks for sort of "filtering" our responses a bit so major reactions like this don't get out of line.


So I don't lose your nice replies; I think what I will do is edit the original post to be a mostly empty post (a short summary of what this was about, in neutral terms though), and lock the thread (turns out we have permission to lock our own threads even if not a mod, go figure).


Thanks for listening; and you are right about keeping this in perspective. Just to channel the spirit of the MST3K mantra, "It's just a showgame; I should really just relax."