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Offline TechSY730

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Re: Oh. Dear. Lord.
« Reply #75 on: November 18, 2012, 08:09:02 PM »
Alas, Don Quixote has hung up the spear.  There's always other windmills.

I've attached the save.  Keith, if you get bored enough, can you check out two things for me?

First, why is Sox a parking lot?
When the SF doesn't have an active "go crush human" mission it rallies to a random planet 3 hops deep in AI territory.  Just so happened it picked Sox after your last tangle.  If you provoke them into a defense mission again and then retreat, once the mission clears they'll roll the random for a rally planet again, and thus probably not re-park on Sox.

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Second, why won't the threatball on Nero's Fiddle commit to anything?  Is it because of all the dead turrets?
That's because... because... um, er...

*Squish*

There was a bug.  It's fixed for next version.

As you guessed, it was due to the remains units under your control.  The threatfleet group there wasn't satisfied that those turrets were dead enough, so it was sticking around to finish the job.  Only it couldn't.
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(i.e. thanks, that bug was probably causing all manner of problems)

Was this also causing special forces to hang around? Because in one of the saves I posted in the main version thread, the SF were treating the border world like a "parking lot" as well as the threat fleet.

Anyways, this probably fixes some of the stuff I was posting about there. Thanks.
Also, now I have a workaround in the mean time (scrap the remains on that border planet)

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Re: Oh. Dear. Lord.
« Reply #76 on: November 18, 2012, 09:15:30 PM »
Was this also causing special forces to hang around?
It might have been doing that, yea.


@Wanderer: did you ever find a suitably reproducible case of a wave demonstrating cowardice in the face of the enemy before the socially-acceptable 30-second threshold?
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Re: Oh. Dear. Lord.
« Reply #77 on: November 18, 2012, 09:55:08 PM »
Alas, Don Quixote has hung up the spear.  There's always other windmills.
Rocintante, charge!

When the SF doesn't have an active "go crush human" mission it rallies to a random planet 3 hops deep in AI territory.  Just so happened it picked Sox after your last tangle.  If you provoke them into a defense mission again and then retreat, once the mission clears they'll roll the random for a rally planet again, and thus probably not re-park on Sox.
Ah, I'd been afraid of that.  Tiny little force they've got there.

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As you guessed, it was due to the remains units under your control.  The threatfleet group there wasn't satisfied that those turrets were dead enough, so it was sticking around to finish the job.  Only it couldn't.
These humans... you, yes you 300 or so, stay around and make sure they STAY dead.  I've heard rumors of some bride of a prince that was only Mostly Dead!

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Your Sirius Cybernetics Complaints Department Representative is certain you'll be elated to know that once the bug in question was dislodged, the threatfleet blob immediately moved along its planned circuitous route around your borders to attack and flatten Macross, and then proceeded on schedule to Poker (I didn't watch that one).

As part of our referrals incentives program, you have received a substantial credit at the Sirius Cybernetics Complaints Department Gift Store for your assistance in exterminating the human race.
LOL, Macross dying was an expected result. XD  Mouse in a field running in front of a tractor.  A few mini-forts won't halt up quite that horrible an assault. 

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(i.e. thanks, that bug was probably causing all manner of problems)
LOL, no problem.  Glad you were able to nail it so easily. :)

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Zenith Descendents probably need a promotion.  Or two.
Errr. I dunno.  If EVERYTHING is in hard then what's left?

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Re: Oh. Dear. Lord.
« Reply #78 on: November 18, 2012, 10:09:36 PM »
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Zenith Descendents probably need a promotion.  Or two.
Errr. I dunno.  If EVERYTHING is in hard then what's left?
Honesty about the nature of this game? :)

(iirc, the "Everything" AI type is already categorized as Hard)
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Re: Oh. Dear. Lord.
« Reply #79 on: November 22, 2012, 01:45:53 AM »
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5:53:22 Econ: 399k/945k.  the wave lands.  242 E-Bomber IIs and a smattering of IIIs.  Gyeads.

Support threat immediately comes in.  140 cutlasses and a handful of other trash.

5:53:54 CPA launches.
AI: I believe you ordered pain.

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The 825 ships on WW include 160 bombers (mostly IIIs), 383 Cutlasses (also mostly IIIs), 27 Siege engines, an Imposion Guardian III, and sporadic other inclusions.  They're not committing against the turret-ball.
I like the "you have half an hour before the threatball grows a brain and becomes threatfleet." mechanic. Ouch on the siege engines.
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6:13:00 Down to 633 wave ships but still no committal by the Fiddle threatball.  I'm not willing to commit the fleet until I know I don't have 300+ MK III's breathing down my neck.
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Econ's still on the floor.
It's natural state.

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6:57:00 Wanderer says Fuggit.
AIs secret victory condition: critical exasperation.


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Zenith Descendents probably need a promotion.  Or two.
Two? It shouldn't be red.

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Re: Oh. Dear. Lord.
« Reply #80 on: November 22, 2012, 02:02:20 AM »
@Wanderer: did you ever find a suitably reproducible case of a wave demonstrating cowardice in the face of the enemy before the socially-acceptable 30-second threshold?

Erg, I forgot about this, sorry, for some reason I though I'd gotten it to you.  I'll probably forget again by the time I get back into town from Turkey Festivities, but will try to remember.
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Re: Oh. Dear. Lord.
« Reply #81 on: November 22, 2012, 09:42:49 AM »
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Glad to assist.  My dented noggin'... for !!fun!! and !!science!!
Why is science on fire?
Right here I burst out laughing. xD
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Re: Oh. Dear. Lord.
« Reply #82 on: November 22, 2012, 10:10:58 AM »
When is science not on fire?
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Re: Oh. Dear. Lord.
« Reply #83 on: November 25, 2012, 11:22:03 PM »
@Wanderer: did you ever find a suitably reproducible case of a wave demonstrating cowardice in the face of the enemy before the socially-acceptable 30-second threshold?

Erg, I forgot about this, sorry, for some reason I though I'd gotten it to you.  I'll probably forget again by the time I get back into town from Turkey Festivities, but will try to remember.

As requested Keith.

You don't even have to move the fleet into Matrix to have half the enemy bolt for it.
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