A Valley Without Wind 2 - a full sequel free for existing customers - is coming.

[mrhanman]

I, for example, have a wonderfully powerful magnum-esque pistol with a tiny magazine and rapid reload but which, if I ever happen to manually reload it rather than waiting for my mag to empty, turns into a grenade.

Ah, Tiedore! How I love thee!

Anyway, it seems unfair to compare the spell count in AVWW2 to the guns in Borderlands 2.  The reason BL2 (is it B2 or BL2?) has so many is because they're a random combination of several attributes.  AVWW2's spells are all lovingly handcrafted and balanced against each other individually, and don't require farming a giant homicidal robot over and over to get what you're looking for.  Not that I'm against farming giant homicidal robots per se (how could anyone be?).

Which reminds me, will there be any stimulus to farm in this game?  Other than being intrinsically fun, I mean.

[x4000]

Which reminds me, will there be any stimulus to farm in this game?  Other than being intrinsically fun, I mean.

Not a bit.  Rather, you'll be killing enemies because you have to in order to get past them.  The better chunk design, enemy design, and health balancing should ensure that.

[LayZboy]

Ah, Tiedore! How I love thee!

Tiedores are kinda okay, although the Rocket launcher ones just suck totally unless you're up against Saturn or another boss who is really big but also comes close to you. I have a Dhal pistol which shoots homing corrosive projectiles which is kinda neat, will AV2 have anything like that which won't suck ass (yeah I'm looking at you spell from the first game).

[LaughingThesaurus]

That's what I was trying to get at. The spells aren't just randomized stats or parts, they're actually hand-crafted and most of them are hopefully rather unique (although I would be upset if there weren't a variety of simple straight-shot spells). Borderlands only has like hand-crafted pieces that randomize around. Not gonna talk bad about Borderlands, but I must say I encounter more samey weapons in that game than in any Metroidvania. Order of Ecclesia comes to mind, where even the higher tier swords or likewise actually have slightly different hitboxes and such.

[Knightlord64]

I'm hoping for some neat support spells rather than all damaging. Some neat spells like Time Stop, Invisibility, and some summon spells would be nice. Would add some variety and set AVWW2 apart from other games. Hope you guys can get a beta out soon!

[x4000]

Beta coming in November! And a few Mage classes have support or mobility spells in addition to damaging, but most just have damaging of various kinds.

[x4000]

If you're curious about the spells, here they are from our spreadsheet with them arranged in four columns by 50 rows.  The first column is the primary, second is secondary, third is special, and fourth is ammo-based.  Each row is a mage class.  Each of the five sections are tiers of mage class.

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Lumber Shot Leafy Whip Clinging Nettles Summon Feral Chicken
Stone Shot Stone Charge Stone Fusillade Summon Flameball
Sea Slider Water Punch Water Sine Water Ring
Ice Drone Ice Whip Ice Fusillade Magnetic Ice
Potion Shot Draught Reversal Energy Bomb Energy Spray
Light Flare Light Snake Light Rocket Blinding Flash
Ember Shot Explosive Crescent Campfire Flameout
Bone Shot Bone Charge Feather Trident Insect Explosion
Storm Drone Cleft Gust Clinging Gust Storm Cross
Entropy Burst Entropy Mass Entropic Touch Entropy Explosion
-------------------------- -------------------------- -------------------------- --------------------------
Forest Drone Forest Crescent Twig Fusillade Forest Explosion
Stone V Earth Whip Earth Bomb Stone Cross
Water Riser Water Charge Water Richochet Ocean Spray
Snow Slider Snow Snake Snow Sine Snow Debris Field
Potion Riser Energy Globe Energy Rocket Energy Bomb burst
Lucent V Luminance Arc Clinging Luminance Lucent Debris Field
Fire Flare Fire Whip Ember Sine Ash Explosion
Insect Drone Feather Jetpack Insect Fusillade Summon Owl
Gale Burst Gale Mass Zepyhr Trident Updraft
Miasma Slider Cleft Smoglet Clinging Fetor Magnetic Entropy
-------------------------- -------------------------- -------------------------- --------------------------
Forest Slider Cleft Timbers Forest Sine Nettle Cloud
Stone Richochet Mudslide Arc Launch Rock Upthrust
Sea Burst Sea Mass Water Trident Summon Ocean Leaper
Icy Flare Ice Punch Ice Rocket Ice Cross
Kinetic Drone Light Crescent Energy Mine Beaker Explosion
Radiant Drone Light Whip Sun Bomb Luminance Cloud
Magma Blast Fire Punch Launch Lava Magnetic Magma
Insect Riser Bone Snake Insect Rocket Summon Mosquito
Lightning Richochet Storm Fist Lightning Fusillade Gust Cloud
Bacterial Blast Miasma Whip Miasma Fusillade Fetor Cloud
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Thorn Richochet Thorn Punch Bramble Rocket Thorn Cross
Meteor Blast Meteor Whip Launch Meteor Meteor Storm
Water Drone Water Jetpack Water Fusillade Splashback
Ice Richochet Icy Crescent Launch Ice Block Hail Debris Field
Energy Burst Energy Mass Energy Attendant Magnetic Kinetics Ball
Solar Richochet Solar Punch Solar Sine Magnetic Sun
Cleft Cinders Fire Snake Fire Trident Magma Debris Field
Bone Blast Cleft Nest Bat Mine Summon Moss Monster
Storm Slider Lightning Whip Lightning Attendant Wind Explosion
Dark Flare Miasma Rocket Miasma Bomb Summon Flying Eyeball
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Thorn Burst Thorn Mass Thorn Smash Thicket Flash
Shattered Mesa Rock Snake Heave Boulder Rockslide
Hydro Blast Water Whip Hydro Rocket Hydroburst
Shattered Glacier Heave Glacier Ice Trident Summon Glacier
Shattered Elixir Elixir Charge Potion Fusillade Kinetic Pillar
Radiant Blast Radiant Drone Radiant Smash Sun Cross
Shattered Cinders Heave Magma Cinder Bomb Transmogrify Into Deinonychus
Bone Whip Ice Bat Attendant Feather Flight Summon Archaeopteryx.
Bolt Flare Bolt Implosion Lightning Mine Transmogrify Into Bat
Shattered Doom Doom Crescent Miasma Sine Gravity Well
Another way to look at the data:

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Groups:
Whips 10 whips all in the Secondary column.
Tridents 5 in all, in Special.  See water trident for main description.
Ground Snakes Light, snow, bone, fire, rock; all in the Secondary.  light snake for desc.
Bombs/Mines 8 in all, in the Special column, based on Energy Bombs.
Sines 6 in all, in the special column.
Transmogrifications 2 in all, in the ammo column.
Cleft 5 in all, in the secondary column (except 1 in primary).
Crosses 5 in all, in the ammo column.
Crescent Secondary: Explosive, Forest, Light, Icy, Doom Crescent
Knockback Ammo: blinding flash, updraft, upthrust, splashback, thicket flash.
Burst/Mass pairs Burst in primary, Mass in secondary; 5 pairs, all based on entropy burst/mass.
Attendants Energy, Lightning, Ice Bat Attendant
Yo-Yos Ammo: Magnetic Ice, Entropy, Magma, Kinetics Ball, Sun
Flares 5 in primary, all based on fire flare.
Sliders 5 in primary, all based on sea slider.
Gravity Launch Special: Launch Rock, Lava, Meteor, Ice Block
Gravity Heave Level 5: Heave Glacier, Boulder, Magma
Spreadshot Primary: Magma, Bacterial, Bone, Meteor, Radiant, Ocean Blast
Explosions Ammo: Insect, Entropy, Forest, Ash, Beaker, Wind Explosion
Arcs Secondary: Luminance Arc, Mudslide Arc
Subdivision Primary: Shattered Mesa, Glacier, Elixir, Cinders, Doom
Homing Special: Clinging Fetor, Clinging Luminance, Clinging Gust, Clinging Nettles
Homing Cloud Ammo: Fetor Cloud, Luminance Cloud, Gust Cloud, Nettle Cloud
Straight Shots Primary: Potion Shot, Ember Shot, Bone Shot, Stone Shot, Lumber Shot
Touch Water, Ice, Fire, Thorn, Solar Punch; Entropic Touch, Storm Fist
Debris Field 4 in ammo, all based on snow debris field.
Richochet 5 in primary, all based on thorn richochet; also water richochet in special.
Fusillade 8 in special, all based on ice fusillade.
Rockets 6 in special, all based on light rocket; 1 in secondary
Drones 7 in primary, all based on storm drone; 1 in lvl5 secondary.
Risers 3 in primary, all based on water riser.
Chargers 4 in secondary, all based on stone charge.
Jetpacks 2 in secondary, both based on feather jetpack.
Vs 2 in primary, both based on stone v.
Summons 9 in all, in the Ammo column.


Unique Ultimate
Thorn Smash
Rockslide
Hydroburst
Summon Glacier
Kinetic Pillar
Radiant Smash
Deinonychus
Feather Flight
Bat
Gravity Well
In terms of what the various names mean, you'll just have to wait and find out during beta.   It's no fun if I spoil everything now!

[x4000]

Heck, while we're at it, here are the mage classes, in the same organization that the spells were:

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Lvl1_Lumbermancer, //green life: forest and plants and so on
    Lvl1_Stonebinder, //green earth and red stone
    Lvl1_Aquaurgist, //blue water
    Lvl1_Sleetlock, //blue ice
    Lvl1_Apothekineticist, //white potions and energy
    Lvl1_Illuminologist, //white light
    Lvl1_Forgician, //red magma and fire
    Lvl1_Technozoologist, //yellow birds and animals
    Lvl1_Draftlock, //yellow lightning and wind
    Lvl1_Entropicist, //purple entropy
    //--------------------------------------------------
    Lvl2_Silvacist, //green life: forest and plants and so on
    Lvl2_Pebbliviter, //green earth and red stone
    Lvl2_Littorist, //blue water
    Lvl2_Snowcerer, //blue ice
    Lvl2_Staminist, //white potions and energy
    Lvl2_Lucencer, //white light
    Lvl2_Ashist, //red magma and fire
    Lvl2_Featherologist, //yellow birds and animals
    Lvl2_Zephyrlock, //yellow lightning and wind
    Lvl2_Terminist, //purple entropy
    //--------------------------------------------------
    Lvl3_Timbermancer, //green life: forest and plants and so on
    Lvl3_Cragpeller, //green earth and red stone
    Lvl3_Hyetalist, //blue water
    Lvl3_Floeturge, //blue ice
    Lvl3_Vervician, //white potions and energy
    Lvl3_Scintillist, //white light
    Lvl3_Lavalock, //red magma and fire
    Lvl3_Plumicler, //yellow birds and animals
    Lvl3_Tornamancer, //yellow lightning and wind
    Lvl3_Eradigist, //purple entropy
    //--------------------------------------------------
    Lvl4_Thorncerer, //green life: forest and plants and so on
    Lvl4_Meteorist, //green earth and red stone
    Lvl4_Pluvician, //blue water
    Lvl4_Hailbinder, //blue ice
    Lvl4_Vitacler, //white potions and energy
    Lvl4_Sunbinder, //white light
    Lvl4_Slagician, //red magma and fire
    Lvl4_Feralist, //yellow birds and animals
    Lvl4_Hurricanist, //yellow lightning and wind
    Lvl4_Oblivicist, //purple entropy
    //--------------------------------------------------
    Lvl5_Thicketmaster, //green life: forest and plants and so on
    Lvl5_Mesalord, //green earth and red stone
    Lvl5_Hydrolock, //blue water
    Lvl5_Glacician, //blue ice
    Lvl5_Vivancer, //white potions and energy
    Lvl5_Radiantist, //white light
    Lvl5_Cindermaster, //red magma and fire
    Lvl5_Beastmaster, //yellow birds and animals
    Lvl5_Boltlord, //yellow lightning and wind
    Lvl5_Annihilist, //purple entropy

[chemical_art]

Technozoologist

lol that sounds awesome

[LaughingThesaurus]

I think technozoologist is in the first game as an NPC profession. Though I thought it was Technozoologicalist.

[x4000]

Technozoologist

lol that sounds awesome

Yeah, that was in the first game too, but it was only an NPC profession.  Now the NPCs have a skill system rather than professions, and players have classes.  So all six of the main ones from the first game had to be kept, of course.  My favorite is still Lumbermancer.

EDIT: Ninja'd.  And yeah, it was in the first game as Technozoologist.  Technozoologicalism is their profession's name, though.

[icepick37]

You are such a tease.    This is awesome, thanks!

EDIT: HAH! Just noticed summon feral chicken.  XD

[KingIsaacLinksr]

You are such a tease.    This is awesome, thanks!

EDIT: HAH! Just noticed summon feral chicken.  XD

Chickens...why did it have to be chickens...

[keith.lamothe]

I'm wondering how the reviewers will like a game called "A Valley Without Wind" having a class called "Draftlock" that's able to cast "Cleft Gust".

[Aklyon]

You see, you take that cloud over there, (the green one, not the white one), and then cleave it, and a gust comes out. No wind or lack thereof getting in the way.